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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

I will move on in a second, but I underline the fact that it is a quadrupling, within the space of a year, of the assessment of the exposure to risk. If that was my personal financial situation, I would be alarmed at such an increase in my expected or assessed exposure to financial risk. Is the Scottish Government not alarmed by the quadrupling of that exposure?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

To move things along, I invite Craig Hoy to ask some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

There has also been considerable public interest in another one of the Government’s financial arrangements—the one with the Gupta Family Group Alliance. The Audit Scotland report focuses on the Lochaber aluminium smelter deal. What is the Scottish Government’s total financial exposure in relation to that deal?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

There are other circumstances in which a valuation might be applied prior to a change of ownership. That has happened in the past. With ScotRail, for example, where the ownership of the franchise is changing, would you expect some kind of fixed asset register to be provided on the transfer date, so that the Scottish Government, in taking on the assets, would know what Abellio was handing over to it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We are out of time. I thank the Auditor General for providing us with a useful insight into the report. I thank Joanne Brown, who joined us online, and Graeme Greenhill for their evidence, which has given us a lot of food for thought.

The meeting will now move into private session.

11:20 Meeting continued in public until 11:42.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. In Parliament there is a lot of debate around inputs but there is not necessarily sufficient concentration on the outcomes, so that is very helpful.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Mr Cook, do you want to come in?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

On 27 January, we took evidence from the Auditor General, who described the deal between the Scottish Government and the GFG Alliance as a “complex transaction”. He said that

“there is an increasing likelihood that the guarantee will be called upon.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 27 January; c 9.]

Is that a strong position?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Permanent secretary, we cannot hold you individually accountable for this either, but one of the other things that the committee, the Auditor General and the Auditor General’s predecessor have waited for for a long time is the publication of whole public sector consolidated accounts. We understand that they will be produced in two stages, and I think that the stage 1 account is due to be published this spring. Will you bring the committee up to date on what progress is being made on that? Do you expect that target date to be met?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. Before we begin, I remind members, witnesses and staff who are present that social distancing measures remain in place in the Parliament’s committee rooms. In addition, face coverings must be worn if you are entering, leaving or moving around the room, but you can take your face masks off when you are at the table.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.