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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Agreed.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

In relation to the system, if the sponsorship team or the director general in a civil service department is in charge of the public appointments process, and if one of the roles of the appointees is to challenge the sponsor division as well as the public body that they are appointed to, is there a danger that individuals who might be more challenging will not get through the process because the civil servants involved in that process will not want that?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will move things along by inviting Graham Simpson to ask you some questions.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Is it not also about diversity and having some kind of blend?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report “NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”. I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses: Ian Bruce, the Ethical Standards Commissioner, and Melanie Stronach, the public appointments manager in the office of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland.

I understand that Mr Bruce does not have an opening statement and would like us to go straight to questions. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Are you a kind of gatekeeper for who gets through the sieving process and who is in the pool of people who can be sought to serve as board members of public bodies?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks very much, indeed. I am conscious that we have run slightly over time, but it has been a really useful session for us.

Once again, I take the opportunity to thank you, Ian Bruce and Melanie Stronach, for your evidence this morning. It has been a very useful illumination of some of the points that were drawn out in the Auditor General’s spotlight report.

There are a number of areas that you promised to follow up. As you said, Mr Bruce, giving evidence to a parliamentary committee is a point of reflection for you. You might share some things with us in a material fashion and you might share other things with us in a more spiritual fashion in the future.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

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