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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, Dharshi, but I note for the record that today is 15 December. Are you saying that that will happen within the next two weeks, or did you mean that it would happen in the next calendar year?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 31st meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is to ask members whether they agree to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Are we all agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Agenda item 2 is to consider whether to take our next meeting, which is to be held on Thursday, 12 January 2023, in private. Are we all agreed to hold that meeting in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

The principal item of business for the committee this morning is to consider the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 22 report “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”. I welcome our witnesses this morning. The last time you gave evidence to the committee you did so remotely, so I am very pleased to welcome to the committee room Graeme Samson, who is a senior auditor with Audit Scotland, Dharshi Santhakumaran, who is an audit manager with Audit Scotland and, of course, the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle. You are very welcome. We have some questions to ask you on the section 22 report, but first I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I will turn now to administrative data. The committee took evidence almost a year ago from Audit Scotland on the report at that time, which was in advance of the census being carried out. We then took evidence from National Records of Scotland in January of this year. We had exchanges with NRS about administrative data and how it would be used. We were told that it would not be used to fill data gaps, but we have learned since that, given the census return rates, administrative data will probably be used more heavily than was originally anticipated. What is the implication of that for the quality of census data?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Anecdotally, one of the things that I picked up around the time of the census was that, for people who did not complete the census in one go, they discovered when they went to log back on that they had to start right from the beginning. I do not know whether that feature was common to the systems that were applied in Wales, Northern Ireland and England or whether it was a deficiency in the Scottish system that, perhaps, drove down the completion rate. I do not know whether you have picked that up.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. The committee will need to consider whether we want to pursue that with NRS.

I invite Willie Coffey to put questions to the witnesses.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

We might need to follow up with you or NRS on elements that have arisen from the evidence that we have taken. Before I draw the public part of the meeting to a close, I thank our witnesses—Dharshi Santhakumaran, Graeme Samson and the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle—for their evidence.

10:10 Meeting continued in private until 11:24.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for that helpful introduction to the report. I will begin by asking a factual question. The report talks about something called the census coverage survey. First of all, could you explain to us what that is?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Do we know, at this stage, whether the next census will be in 10 years or nine years?