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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I will invite Joe FitzPatrick to come in in a second, but I have one last question before I do that.

One of the features of the earlier phases of the reviews and the responses from the health board was what David Strang described as overreporting of progress and an optimism bias. Rachel Browne talked about realism and so on. What is your sense of whether the board is being given an overoptimistic picture of what is changing on the ground? What is your sense of whether the board is being presented with cold, hard facts about where things have reached? As I mentioned at the beginning, the section 22 report mentions a whole series of areas where things are not going as they ought to go.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I invite Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I now invite Michael Marra to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thanks for clearing that up.

Mr Anderson, from the point of view of the oversight board, do you have any view on whether the report makes a useful contribution, and do you accept its findings and conclusions?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Obviously, there are some criticisms in the report that has been produced, and I wondered whether you were all being a bit defensive of one another.

Nicola Dickie, do you want to come in?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Joe FitzPatrick is joining us online, so when I invite him to ask some questions, he will do that via the videolink.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

My understanding is that she could have appeared if she had wished to.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Mr Anderson wants to come back in at this point.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. One of the things that the report talks about is the confusion around governance, and Mr Anderson also referred to that in one of his submissions. I was interested in paragraphs 13 to 16 of the Audit Scotland report, which try to explain the different hats that people wear. Fiona Duncan is not here today, but it is catalogued there that she chaired the care review, which we know, because it is a matter of public record. She became the independent strategic adviser. She chaired the oversight board until 2024, then became its co-chair. She held a post—as chief executive officer, then strategic director—at the Corra Foundation, which is the body that dishes out the money. As well as being the independent strategic adviser to the Government, she is also the chair of The Promise Scotland. I am a little bit confused that one person has had—and continues to have—all those roles. Mr Rennick, could you explain that to us?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Mr Anderson, before we had the session with the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission, you very kindly furnished us with a note, and you were very clear in your views in that note. If I can quote some of the expressions that were used in the first two paragraphs, you said that, as far as the Promise was concerned, things were “too slow”, “accountability remains unclear”, and

“planning ... has not been coordinated”.

You spoke of

“weaknesses ... lack of accountability, limited coordination”

and

“insufficient pace.”

You are quite critical, are you not, of the progress that is being made with the Promise?