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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

For the avoidance of doubt, that is a long-standing request from the committee, dating back to 2016. I think that the committee was promised it in fairly short order at that time, but here we are, almost eight years later, and there is no sign of it.

Just to be clear, we are not asking for that as a matter of curiosity or because of some kind of hobbyist interest. We think that it is really important, as does the Auditor General, that we understand what we own and what we owe. Individual components of the public sector are, of course, expected to provide audited accounts so that we can see what they own and what they owe. All that we are requesting is that we get something similar across the whole of the public sector in Scotland.

We recognise that there have been obstacles to that and that there is the latest series of obstacles that are outwith your control. I think that you described that in the letter that you sent to us, permanent secretary, but I want to reaffirm the store that we set by that and the importance that we attach to it being tackled urgently. The language of the Auditor General continues to be that that is a deficiency that needs to be addressed with some urgency.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you think that there have been so few concerns about ministerial spending decisions in all that time that a written authority would not have been warranted at any point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Can I take from that that you do consider the oil refinery to be a strategic commercial asset? Does it fall within the scope of your strategic commercial assets division?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

What is the latest position on the submission of audited accounts?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks, permanent secretary. We do get regular reports on IT projects, so we do get opportunities to view and review those.

As we are on the subject of software, I will finish by turning to our resident in-house expert on all these matters: Willie Coffey. Willie, do you want to ask the final couple of questions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accountsâ€

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

I thank the permanent secretary, John-Paul Marks, for his time and his willingness to answer our questions. It is greatly appreciated. I also thank Gregor Irwin, Jackie McAllister and Alison Cumming for giving us the benefit of their insights into the way the Government is working and how the reform programme is progressing.

I will close the public part of this morning’s meeting and move the committee into private session. Thank you very much.

11:16 Meeting continued in private until 11:35.  

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

We have spoken about a student-centred approach and the importance of the outcomes. It is not just about the inputs, financial and otherwise, is it? Is it not the case that your changes to the rules about the thresholds for non-retention or drop-out rates of students disincentivise attempts by colleges to retain students? If somebody drops out in week 6, as long as they have been there for five weeks, the college still gets the financial payment as if they were there for the whole of that academic year. Will that not lead to an increased level of student drop-out or non-retention?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

The committee would certainly expect that to be carefully scrutinised, because the change could have a negative rather than a positive effect from the student perspective. We may come back to you on that at some point.

I will move on to another element of the report, which is the college estate. I have a topical question on reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete. Do we know the extent of RAAC in Scotland’s colleges?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Will it be done by the end of the year, say?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks. That is helpful.

Mr Rennick, when do you expect a decision to be made?