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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We are drawing towards the close of this session, but the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, has a number of questions to put. Sharon—over to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Out of how many?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I think that that would be useful and would help the committee in considering its next steps.

The Scottish Funding Council is obviously pivotal here. As I read the briefing, it is the Scottish Funding Council that carries out an assessment of the sector’s finances for each academic year. One of the conclusions that you reach in paragraph 10 of the briefing is that the operating surplus for 2021-22 is expected to be “considerably less” than that for the previous year. Will you elaborate on what “considerably less” means?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 26th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is for members of the committee to decide whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s briefing paper, “Scotland’s colleges 2023”. I am pleased to welcome our witnesses: the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, is joined by—from Audit Scotland—Mark MacPherson, audit director; Tricia Meldrum, senior manager; and Douglas Black, audit manager. You are all very welcome.

Auditor General, feel free to field any of our questions to the most appropriate people on your team. Before we get to the questions, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. As you said, it is a briefing and not a full report that makes recommendations but, nonetheless, it contains some very stark warnings. You have already used the word “risks”. One of the warnings is the view that the risks to the college sector’s financial sustainability have increased since 2022. Will you give us an overview of what those risks are, in your view?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

That is very helpful. Just for confirmation, do we expect that report to be produced by the Scottish Funding Council before the end of November?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

In paragraph 14 of the briefing, you describe a 70 per cent cut in staffing over a five-year period at Ayrshire College as

“a scenario in which it could no longer function.”

Is it a scenario in which it could no longer function in its present form or is the full stop after “function”?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will ask Mr Sweeney the same question. Does COSLA accept the findings and recommendations in the report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Richard Leonard

I go back to the question that we put to Audit Scotland in the previous session. I realise that there is an aggregation of factors, but, broadly speaking, can you say what the biggest driver is for the level of inflation in the construction section? Does it relate to labour, for example, or to the supply chain?