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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you for your time and the evidence that you have given us this morning, which has been very helpful.

As Willie Coffey reminded us, there is no such thing as a job for life any more. Retraining and reskilling are hugely important roles that are fulfilled very well by the college sector in Scotland. I suspect that, in this era of the just transition, they will become even more acutely important.

I note that a paper that we were given in advance of the meeting pointed out the finding from the Sutton Trust that 90 per cent of learners from the most socially deprived backgrounds who went to university did so through colleges. That is not the only thing that colleges do, but it is a really important thing.

I thank Neil Rennick , Stuart Greig, Karen Watt and Lynne Raeside for their input this morning. As I said, it has been very useful to us.

10:49 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.  

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, indeed. I invite Karen Watt to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

However, the budget is not flat in real terms. In real terms, it has gone down, has it not? We have spoken about flat cash; the amount of money that has been given to the sector has been static, although there was an in-year cut in the amount of revenue funding that was available. Again, in the budget that was announced just before Christmas—and after the evidence session that we had with participants on 30 November—it was proposed that there would be an 8.4 per cent cash cut this year, which is, if you like, worse than the situation in the previous two years.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay—that is great. On that note, I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. Welcome to the 33rd and, I assume, last meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2023.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental healthâ€

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Presumably, you concede that taking nearly £30 million out of the budget, on top of taking £38 million out of it last year, will have an impact on services.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental healthâ€

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I think that you alluded to it, but, for the record, I ask you whether you accept all the key messages and recommendations in the report.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental healthâ€

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Again, I go back to the point that I made earlier, which is that the Scottish Government made increasing mental health funding by 25 per cent to ensure that 10 per cent of all spending on the NHS front line is on mental health services a priority. I would therefore expect the Scottish Government to take some responsibility to ensure that those outcomes are being met.

09:15  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental healthâ€

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

I think that the answer to my question is no. Although that will be mopped up as part of the national care service review, you do not necessarily expect any fundamental reform of the architecture of adult mental health services.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental healthâ€

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

I go back to a point that I alighted on very briefly, which is based on the evidence that we took from the Royal College of Psychiatrists. You seem to paint a picture of things going pretty well, but we were told that the system is hugely overreliant on locums. Do you have a strategy for tackling that?