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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 14th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is to ask whether the committee agrees to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, indeed. I turn to the director general.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Can you both confirm that I can take from your opening remarks that you accept the findings that are set out in the Auditor General’s report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Right. Graham Simpson has some questions to put.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Could I pick up on that letter to the committee from Steve Farrell of Community? I would be interested in your response to one of the things that he says, which is, if I can paraphrase, that the prison service has been poaching GEOAmey staff and it is therefore “perverse” for the SPS to call GEOAmey to account for having too low staff numbers and so on. He says that the SPS monopolises the monitoring of the private estate. Do you have a response to that, Teresa?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Steve Farrell thinks that there should be an independent monitor of such commercial contracts. Do you have a response to that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you very much. There is just one final question from me, which takes us back to the Scottish court custody and prison escorting service. Is a public sector model part of your consideration?

Public Audit Committee

Administration of Scottish Income Tax 2022-23

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. When did the Scottish Government first see drafts of those reports?

Public Audit Committee

Administration of Scottish Income Tax 2022-23

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Richard Leonard

But it was shared with ministers last year.

Public Audit Committee

Administration of Scottish Income Tax 2022-23

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay, but from our perspective, we also direct some of those criticisms to the Scottish Government. I accept that we are talking about an HMRC publication, but if the Scottish Government has had access to it, why was it not prepared to share that with the Scottish Parliament?