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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health and Wellbeing of Children and Young People

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Okay. I will bring in Sue Webber.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Do you accept that safe drug consumption facilities might be a gateway for people to get treatment?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. I have run out of time—over to you, convener.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Welcome to the meeting, Mr Malthouse. I come at this from my perspective as convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Health, Social Care and Sport Committee.

I have a very simple question. Do you agree that people who are addicted to drugs are unwell?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

I am sorry to go on about this, but in response to recommendations from the Drug Deaths Taskforce, you said that safe consumption facilities might “condone drug use”. Does the very fact that you have said that straight off not show that, instead of your looking at them as a health intervention, you are opposed to such facilities because of an overriding concern that this is a case of public perception?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

In response to Gillian Mackay’s question, the minister mentioned that licences might be available to assist with drug checking. I am not aware of such a system—it is the first time that I have heard of it. If there is licensing available for that kind of facility, could it also be a vehicle for a pilot project for a safe consumption facility?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

But, as the drug deaths statistics for Scotland show, it seems that particular areas of deprivation are affected.

You have asked Angela Constance for evidence. She has written to you today—I have her letter here—highlighting the trials in New York and pointing out that 59 people have been saved in the three weeks since those facilities opened. Are you content to look at that new evidence and, as Sue Webber has suggested, facilitate a trial that would give us Scotland-based evidence to allow us to make decisions from a public health perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

There is no silver bullet.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Gillian Martin

But do people actively want to become addicted to drugs? My experience is that people take drugs for a number of reasons. It is not that they will not take drugs just because they are illegal; they might be taking them because they live in deprived communities and have issues in their lives that drive them to do so.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank our three witnesses for their time. It was an interesting discussion and has given us a lot to think about. That is the end of the evidence session.

At our next meeting, on 1 February, the committee will take evidence from the Scottish Government as part of our inquiry into the health and wellbeing of children and young people. We will also take evidence on two common frameworks.

That completes the public part of our meeting.

11:58 Meeting continued in private until 12:31.