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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 September 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

I welcome everyone to the 17th meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received no apologies.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take item 3 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Our second agenda item is an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care on Audit Scotland’s “NHS in Scotland 2021” report. This session follows the committee’s evidence session with the Auditor General for Scotland on 19 April 2022.

I welcome to the committee the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Humza Yousaf, who is joined by officials. Richard McCallum is director of health finance and governance in the Scottish Government, Gillian Russell is director of health workforce in the Scottish Government and John Burns is the chief operating officer of NHS Scotland. Good morning to you all.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

On the other side of things, with regard to our home-grown future workforce and people wanting to enter the profession, the Scottish Government has put in place bursaries for paramedics, nurses and midwives. Has any analysis been done of the impact that that has had on encouraging people to go into the profession?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

We will now focus on workforce planning. We have alluded to it many times before, but David Torrance has specific questions on it.

10:00  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

I have one more question. I know that we are at the very early stages, but the public has expectations about the future of healthcare and wellbeing. Are we at the point at which we need to evaluate patient expectations about where and how they get their care? The Scottish Government has put a number of things in place, such as alternative pathways. You mentioned NHS 24 and the advice to dial 111 instead of turning up at accident and emergency departments. Is there a still a lot of work to do on managing how people approach their healthcare and use the NHS?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

We have a final question from Evelyn Tweed before we wrap up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Paul O’Kane has some questions about NHS finances.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

We now address data, with questions from David Torrance.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you for that summary. My colleagues will ask questions on the detail of a lot of what you talked about. Some of the Audit Scotland report dovetails nicely with our findings from previous inquiries—in particular, on the workforce—so I imagine that colleagues will ask specific questions from our inquiries into alternative pathways and perinatal mental health.

Will you give a status report on where we are with the care and wellbeing portfolio? Audit Scotland’s report mentions the sustainability of the NHS and social care—as they stand and before the pandemic. How might the care and wellbeing portfolio improve sustainability?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Audit Scotland Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 10 May 2022

Gillian Martin

Sue Webber has questions on NHS reform.