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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. Next, we will hear from Karen Lewis, from the Hub in Dumfries and Galloway.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

We move on to the substantive item on our agenda, which is continuation of our evidence taking on health inequalities. This follows the series of informal engagement sessions that we undertook on 20 and 23 May to help us to understand people’s experiences in relation to health inequalities. They were very good and very intensive sessions where we heard from people with lived experience. This session is our opportunity to examine some of the issues that we heard about. We were all in different break-out rooms, so we should have a good spread of questions to ask the people who are in front of us today, and we will be able to dig more deeply into some of the things that we heard.

We have four witnesses on the panel to answer our questions and give us more information. I welcome to the committee Toni Groundwater from Families Outside, who is with us in person; Richard Meade from Carers Scotland, who is with us in person; Karen Lewis from The Hub in Dumfries and Galloway, who joins us online; and Dr Sharon Wright from the University of Glasgow, who also joins us online.

I believe that all four of you would like to make brief opening statements. We will hear from Toni Groundwater first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

I apologise to Karen Lewis; you wanted to respond to Sandesh Gulhane’s question about your top asks. I bring in Karen Lewis before moving on to Gillian Mackay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

So the carers allowance comes in, but then it gets completely swallowed up by the increase in fuel bills.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Does anyone else want to come in on David Torrance’s question? It might be appropriate for Karen Lewis to speak about what is happening in the Hub Dumfries and Galloway.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Family relationship breakdown could be an impact, which is particularly difficult when someone comes back into the community.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

That brings us back to your earlier comment about the disproportionate impact of the increase in the cost of living, particularly with regard to fuel.

I see that Sandesh Gulhane wants to come in, but first of all I want to pick up on something that Dr Wright said at the very start of the session. I actually wrote it down, and I just want to get a little more information on it and find out whether I heard it right. Dr Wright, when you talked about people being put off from claiming and the disincentives in that regard—we have been hearing about that throughout the morning—and about people who might have mental health problems being treated as fit for work, you said, I think, that they might then turn to “survival crime” and “survival sex”. Can you expand on that? Did I hear that right?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

I ask Richard Meade to speak on behalf of Carers Scotland.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Stephanie Callaghan has a short supplementary question, and then we must move on.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Before I hand over to my colleague, I want to ask about the other side of things—that is, the family side. Families experience considerable anxiety about their loved ones in prison, and that has an impact. HMP Grampian is in my constituency—it is quite near me and I have visited it. It has a family centre that provides a lot of support to families. The centre is not run by the SPS; it is led by volunteers. It strikes me that there is an opportunity here. You mentioned that prison visits are an opportunity to get help to families. Those centres seem to be a way of getting a lot of care and wraparound support to families when they come to visit their family members. That is certainly the case with the one that I visited. Are there such centres across Scotland? Do all prisons have family centres, or is provision patchy?