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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move to questions from Evelyn Tweed.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. You have given us lots that we can drill deeper into. That has been a really good start to our discussion.

All committee members have had an interest in health inequalities for some time. While we have been considering the evidence that we have been taking over a number of weeks, it has become clear to us that such issues come up all the time, no matter which inquiry we are working on or which subject we consider on this committee or others. The subject comes up everywhere because of the nature of the causes of such inequalities.

Notwithstanding all that you have said about whole-system and cross-portfolio working, I want to drill into what Dr Cawston said about the structures of the NHS perpetuating inequality and widening divisions. It seems to me that we need to hear more about that. Could I come first to Dr Cawston for more detail on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

It is helpful to hear your first-hand experience.

Before I bring in Paul O鈥橩ane, I remind those who are participating remotely that, although we will probably direct our questions to individuals, if anyone wants to add to anything that anyone else has said, they can put an R in the chat box and I will bring them in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Gillian Mackay joins us online.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Dr Cawston, I think that you wanted to come in. I did not spot that before Stephanie asked her second question, so I imagine that you would like to come in on her first question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

That will be very helpful as we think about what to recommend in our report.

Evelyn Tweed has a question on intersectionality, which will probably be our final theme. I will look around to see whether any of my colleagues wants to ask a further question, but we have only about five or 10 minutes left.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

That is all very helpful and it is a good note for us to end on. We very much agree that the roots of health inequalities lie in a lot of different portfolios, which you have all made extremely clear this morning.

We have reached the end of our evidence session. I thank our four witnesses for the time that they have spent with us this morning and for the additional information that they have put in the chat function for perhaps following up on.

At our next meeting, which will be on 28 June, the committee will take evidence from the Minister for Public Health, Women鈥檚 Health and Sport in the final evidence session in our inquiry into health inequalities. We will also scrutinise an affirmative Scottish statutory instrument.

That concludes the public part of the meeting.

11:32 Meeting continued in private until 11:57.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you very much. I come to Professor Marmot.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Professor Meier, you have made a point that we have heard a lot. We need services to be aligned so that people do not have to tell their stories many times to multiple people. Do other panellists have reflections on that? The committee has heard some suggested solutions to such issues. It can compound people鈥檚 trauma if they have to tell the same story over and over again to different people, starting from scratch and not leaving anything out in case it causes difficulty in accessing a service. Dr Cawston, you must hear about such issues a lot.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Tess, do you want to follow up on any of that?