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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

The clause complies with the Aarhus convention requirement for environmental justice. The Aarhus compliance committee has said that it provides sufficient time for preparing cases, provided that the decisions are properly publicised. The regulations that will be in place will mean that there is a legal requirement on applicants to properly publicise proposals and to engage with communities. That is in line with the Aarhus compliance committee鈥檚 view. That is why we are taking it forward in the way that we have. Obviously, the proposal has been negotiated not just with the current UK Government but with the previous UK Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

My understanding of EPR is that, in general, the funds that will go to local authorities will allow them to expand their recycling capabilities into a lot of the areas that we discussed when we created the Circular Economy (Scotland) Act 2024. Of course, the funding is not ring fenced and it is up to councils to decide how to do that. The polluter-pays principle means that we are putting funds into local authorities, but the main point of EPR is to incentivise producers to reduce the amount of packaging. I think we will see massive innovations in packaging because of EPR.

It is for individual councils to decide how to respond to the twin opportunities of the DRS and the fact that they will no longer be dealing with the same volumes of plastics and cans, but also what to do about glass versus鈥攐r in addition to鈥攖he other things that they want to do to expand their waste recovery, reuse and remake, and circular economy objectives more widely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

You make a good point about the variability of services across the 32 local authorities, so that information is important. With the circular economy route map, which has been worked on by all 32 local authorities and COSLA, we can see that some local authorities are doing things differently for particular reasons. We can look at their recycling rates and ask what other local authorities can learn from them. Every area is different and they all have their particular geographical opportunities and challenges, but your point is well made. We need to see the variability and we need to be able to pinpoint and address where things can be improved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. Clear glass in particular has a high value and we should make sure that we capture that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I ask members to reflect on the fact that the regulations for a DRS including glass were voted for by a majority of the Parliament. The will of the Parliament could not be exercised, because there could not be an exclusion according to the UK Government at the time. What is important now is that we look forward and that we have an interoperable DRS that will mean that we do not have aluminium cans and plastic bottles littering our roadsides, because those materials will have a value associated with them, which will improve the recycling rates.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes, absolutely. Of course, before the scheme administrator could be appointed, I was required to accept the recommendations and approve the scheme administrator, as was Northern Ireland and DAERA.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

The date by which the scheme should be operational is 1 October 2027. I hope that Parliament will agree to the regulations and that the scheme administrator will be in place. All three nations that are involved will be checking in with the scheme administrator on the milestones to ensure that it is ready to deliver by 1 October 2027.

As the scheme goes live, we will monitor its success. As I mentioned, it will be interesting to look at our recycling and recovery rates for certain materials in Scotland once the scheme is operational. It is important to stress that the DRS is not there to collect money; it is to improve the recovery of materials and the circular economy.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

That was a critical consideration in the process of appointing a scheme administrator. Questions were put to the applicants about how they would do those things.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. I should have clarified that. My official has clarified that, obviously, there are new duties associated with EPR and there are new fixed-penalty notices. There are also registration fees associated with EPR that go directly to SEPA, so I apologise for that comment鈥攊t was a bit misleading.