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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I can take Bob Doris through that. Ministers decided that UK DMO Ltd will be designated as the scheme administrator for Scotland’s DRS, although obviously that is subject to approval in Parliament. DEFRA and DAERA have appointed the same organisation. The administrator is responsible for the operational design and delivery of the scheme.

Interested parties were invited to submit applications to be designated as the scheme administrator for the DRS in Scotland, and that window was open from 2 December to 3 February. The application process requested essential information about the applicant and information on operational plans, financial management and cross-cutting issues. Officials assessed the applications in accordance with the three-nation process. All three nations were involved in deciding on which applicant became the scheme administrator. Based on the assessment of the applicants, ministers from the three nations concluded that the UK DMO Ltd application was successful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I will point to some of the things that have been put in place, which I think strengthen the regulations. People will be able to request a review of the scheme administrator’s decisions, as Ailsa Heine pointed out. Also, the scheme administrator will determine any exemptions and associated fees. Those matters will no longer be for Scottish ministers. Exemption from operating a return point will also be in the gift of the scheme administrator. Those are probably the headline differences.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

No—it is not a public body.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Yes. That is a very important point. People must be able to know where the return points will be in their locality, and that is something that the scheme administrator will be assessing. When the approaches from vendors to have voluntary return points come in, it is important that there is an assessment of any gaps. Particularly for Scotland, it will be important to know whether there are any areas with gaps, because the scheme must be equitable; we expect people to have equal access to the scheme.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

This year, we will be commencing the packaging extended producer responsibility—EPR—scheme. It will have a transformative effect on the packaging industry, impacting the packaging that we see on the shelves of our supermarkets and shops and the funding model for local authority recycling and waste management.

Packaging EPR will implement the polluter-pays principle and place responsibility for funding the collection and disposal of household packaging waste on to the businesses that produce it. The order that is before you will enable SEPA to use civil sanctions in relation to offences under the UK EPR for packaging regulations—the Producer Responsibility Obligations (Packaging and Packaging Waste) Regulations 2024—which came into force on 1 January 2025.

The order provides SEPA with access to civil enforcement measures, such as fixed and variable monetary penalties, rather than relying on criminal offences. It confers no additional responsibility on to SEPA but provides it with a wider range of enforcement powers to allow a flexible and proportionate response to offences. These powers will support the implementation of packaging EPR by ensuring that SEPA can take appropriate action against businesses that do not fulfil their obligations, enabling the correct funding to be available for local authorities and creating a level playing field for compliant businesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I am aware of general concerns about the time that it takes for applications to go through. You have highlighted, and I have previously mentioned, the work that the Scottish Government has done in doubling the capacity of the ECU. I have also had discussions with SEPA, which is currently working on its business plan to deal with the volume of applications that it is getting, not only from the pumped hydro storage sector but from all areas in which it has a responsibility to report.

You will be aware of the work that the Minister for Public Finance, Ivan McKee, and I have been doing to provide local authorities with access to the expertise that they might not have in-house but which they need in order to be able to make determinations on complex applications. Mr McKee is rolling out the planning hub model, not only for energy consents and applications but for planning applications more widely. The more complex applications get, the more individual local authorities might not have the necessary expertise in-house, but they will be able to procure it centrally to allow them to assess the applications that come before them.

10:15  

A number of things are being done, but I take your point about SEPA in particular. You have provided me with some detail on the issue. Anyone from the pumped hydro storage sector who has concerns about it can raise them with me directly and I can speak to SEPA directly about it.

I have spoken to SEPA about its capacity in general in dealing with energy consents. SEPA is aware of the concerns about its capacity in that regard and is looking to manage its resource to cope with the demand and the complexity so that we can still get consents out to people in a timely fashion.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Douglas, this is why men need bags. I do not know your habits, what you take to the pub or—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I am glad that you mentioned the extended producer responsibility. We will talk about that later in this session, but glass is included in EPR—the polluter-pays principle will apply to it. The DRS will work alongside EPR in that respect.

With EPR, funds associated with the recovery of packaging materials will go to local authorities, with the desirable outcome that local authorities will be paid by producers for a lot of the recovery that they do. I hope that, over time, producers will look at reducing the amount of packaging that they use so that they do not have to pay the fees, so there will be less for local authorities to recover.

Your point is well made. If you want details of the analysis of the cost, I am sure that we can provide them, but the point is that glass is covered by EPR but not by the DRS. Wales is taking a different view. As you will remember very well, when we looked at schemes across Europe, we saw countries that had decided to extend their schemes and include glass at a later date. At the moment, however, the scheme covers plastic and aluminium.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

That could be the case. I look to my own area—a developer came in many years ago, promised a lot of things to the community for a development and never delivered. That sort of approach will sour a community’s view of all developments, regardless of who the developer is. There are lots of cases like that across Scotland. People are right to be angry when developers do that, but now we will have a law that they will have to follow. Whatever we bring forward in secondary legislation will be mandatory, and if developers do not comply, they will be jeopardising the success of their application.