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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

The next item on our agenda is further consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We will take evidence from two panels today.

Before we start, I thank everyone who took part in our informal evidence sessions last Monday in Aberdeen and yesterday in Dumfries. I think that members who participated in those sessions would agree that they were extremely helpful. We will make sure that some of the things that we heard in those informal sessions make their way into our scrutiny of the bill and into our questioning of witnesses and, ultimately, the minister.

With our first panel, we will focus on the data and information sharing aspects of the bill. Two of our witnesses are joining us remotely and four are attending in person. I welcome to the meeting Daren Fitzhenry, the Scottish Information Commissioner; Paula Fraser, development officer at Voices of Experience Scotland; Beth Lawton, chief digital and information officer at the University of Strathclyde; and Ken Macdonald, head of ICO regions at the Information Commissioner’s Office.

The two witnesses who are joining us remotely are Scott Heald, Public Health Scotland’s head of data driven innovation, and Dr Kenneth Meechan, who is head of information as well as the data protection officer for Glasgow City Council and is representing the Society of Local Authority Lawyers and Administrators in Scotland, otherwise known as SOLAR.

We move to questions. I will start with Daren Fitzhenry, whose office made a late submission in relation to the provisions in the bill that would impact on the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body’s independent office-holders. Daren, will you explain your concern about those provisions?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

One of the reasons why the national care service has been proposed is to address some of the issues around services not being joined up and gaps appearing. It is good to bring the discussion back to that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

When we go into private session, we will have detailed discussions on what we have heard today and on any other issues that members want to bring up.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

12:24 Meeting continued in private until 12:45.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We now want to talk about the transfer of services. Paul O’Kane has questions on that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We should be finishing in a couple of minutes, but with everyone’s permission, I will extend the meeting by about 10 minutes, because we still have one area of questioning to go—monitoring of the national care service, which Evelyn Tweed will ask about.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank the witnesses and my colleagues for their participation this morning. Our next meeting—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Emma, you have some questions. If you could direct them to particular witnesses, that would be great.

If any of the witnesses wants to come in on something that they have been asked, even if they have not been named by the member, they should signal to me and I will bring them in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Carol, you have questions about that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Stephanie Callaghan has questions on the role of the SPSO. We dipped into that a little with Rosemary Agnew, in response to my questions on earlier evidence from the Information Commissioner’s Office, but if you would like to ask your questions, that would be great.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We are all listening to you, Rosemary, and what you have said chimes with what we heard on our Aberdeen visit in particular. Camphill Scotland staff talked about residents in their care who, when they reach the age of 60 or 65, might have to transfer into services that Camphill Scotland could not offer because of their age. Thank you for bringing that up.

I think that Lynsey Cleland wants to come in on that.