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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Giles Hendry, as he has been very close to the appointment of the board. One of the duties of the administrator is to set out an operational plan, which will take into account the rurality of Scotland and the different geographical challenges and opportunities in all three nations. Obviously, in Scotland, we have particular issues in making sure that what is rolled out is fair and equitable for rural and island communities.

Giles Hendry can give you more detail on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Mr Doris used the word “dovetailed”, which is important. We are talking about the same administrator but three separate systems. The administrator will be answerable to us for how the Scottish scheme operates. If we feel that certain tweaks, as you say, need to be made, we can have that discussion with the scheme operator in Scotland. It is a Scottish system that links with the English and the Northern Irish systems in terms of interoperability. We are talking about three systems, but the same company is the scheme administrator for all. It is not a UK system. There are three separate systems.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

It is not a public body; it is a private company.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

The scheme administrator must provide an operational plan to SEPA for approval by 31 March 2026, so I guess that that is the first milestone.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Douglas Lumsden has made it clear that he is not in favour of this, but the scheme administrator has the power to respond to a lot of his questions and to implement answers. I will leave it there.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

I have nothing to add, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Absolutely. The ECU is alive to the various milestones that developers want to meet—allocation round 7 for contracts for difference, for example, and the cap and floor that you have just mentioned—and it works closely with developers to ensure that it gets the right information to enable it to make determinations that allow them to meet those milestones.

I will certainly take away your wider point about the other bodies that need to have capacity and will add that to the agenda for my next meeting with SEPA.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

First, I thank Sarah Boyack for highlighting the fact that local authorities will get increased access to funding. The current estimate is that there will be around £160 million a year for local authorities to support the collection of household packaging waste. The payments will start in November 2025. That is a significant boost to waste management in Scotland at local authority level. I said in the earlier session that one of the positive things about this is that, over time, local authorities will be able to divert a lot of their efforts in waste reduction and the recovery of materials into things that they may not formerly have had the scope or capacity to do.

The other aspect, of course, is the inevitable change that this will make to types of packaging. Packaging producers will be innovating in this space, and I am very hopeful that they will reduce the amount of packaging associated with household goods.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

That is a really interesting question. Packaging producers and producers of household goods will be discussing how they can reduce the carbon footprint that is associated with their packaging. I cannot determine what is going to happen. It will happen in the private sector, where there will be innovation. EPR has been put in place because we have not seen enough reduction in the amounts or types of packaging. It will be exciting to see what our supermarkets look like after five to 10 years of implementation. Hopefully, they will look very different.

We are already seeing some of the packaging associated with household items changing in anticipation, with the use of cardboard over plastic and a reduction in overpackaging—that is certainly my experience as a consumer.

We have given SEPA powers to impose three different civil sanctions. It will not require any increase in capacity, because we are just giving it the powers to impose the sanctions: a fixed monetary penalty that is set at either £300, £600 or £1,000 depending on the nature of each offence and whether it has been designated as low, medium or high; and a variable monetary penalty that is equivalent to the maximum fine that could be imposed on a summary conviction, which is £10,000. We have given SEPA the powers and, in our discussions with it, we have not seen that any increase in capacity will be required. To my knowledge, SEPA has not made any ask of Government in that regard.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Gillian Martin

Haydn Thomas can try to answer that. I think that you can take it with you, and you can get the money back.

It does not matter where you buy the drink. If I bought a Diet Coke from Tesco, for example, and if the local convenience store in my village had a return point, I could take it back there and get my money back. I think that that would apply, wherever you bought your drink.