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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

John Mason

Thanks for that. You mentioned bonds and you said that, if the Scottish Government is going to issue bonds, it will have to do it fairly soon. Does it make much difference? We have a limit on what we can borrow, so it does not really matter where we borrow from, does it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

John Mason

We talked earlier about public sector employment and the fact that it is 22.6 per cent in Scotland and 17.6 per cent in the UK. Are we comparing like with like? Things such as Scottish Water and ScotRail are in the public sector in Scotland, but the equivalents in England are not in the public sector.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

John Mason

Early on in the “Fiscal Update”, you make the statement that

“Decisions by the Scottish Government have played a role in these budget pressures.”

I would like to explore a little what that means.

We could have spent our budget in different ways, but the fact is that we must spend all of it. If a hard year comes along, we have to make cuts. In one sense, the Scottish Government does not have a lot of control over that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

John Mason

If that ÂŁ900 million had been spent on, say, the health service instead of on social security, that would not make the budget any easier now. We would just have to cut health instead.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 3 September 2024

John Mason

Is it that there are more people doing the same things, or are there people doing different things that are not being done in the public sector in England?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

John Mason

The committee will have a view on that. As has been mentioned, there are lots of strong advocacy groups out there—RNIB and lots of other groups—that are doing really good work. I get your point that that work could be more joined up, and that could be one of the reasons for having a commissioner.

The other thing that you mentioned is investigations. I wonder whether you could explain a bit more. I do not think that there is a huge budget for investigations, so can you explain what would be involved in that? Would it be quite limited or extensive?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

John Mason

If we take that forward, so that the commissioner produces a report that says that day services have been cut and that is a bad thing, I presume that councils and others would comment in the investigation and there would be a bit of a cost there, but where would we go then? The commissioner would have no powers to enforce. Would the idea be to embarrass the local authorities so that they had to spend money on day services?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

John Mason

To follow on the convener’s point, you are saying that the money for the children’s commissioner has not been diverted from elsewhere, but it does mean that the Parliament’s, the Government’s and Scotland’s budget is reduced by that £1 million or £2 million. Inevitably, there will be less money for other things. You might argue that that money would be better used for a commissioner, but would you at least accept that it would not be available for other things?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

John Mason

It seems to me that, if we have a reasonably fixed pot of money—I know that we can change the budget a little bit—that means that either the Parliament or the local council would shift resources to wherever the louder voice was. If disabled people have not had a voice, they would now have a voice, and councils might take money out of schools and put it into more services for disabled people—or money might be taken from colleges or from somewhere else. That is where we are going and then, presumably, we would need a commissioner for schools, colleges or other areas, because everybody would feel that their voice was not loud enough. Where do you think we are going with all this?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

John Mason

Yes, that is one argument.