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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

John Mason

I accept that PEF is not exactly in your remit, minister, but the good thing about it is that it allows the local headteacher to focus resources where they feel that those are most needed. Would you like to see the approach of focusing resources on the neediest areas continue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

If I was in your position, I would be wondering whether there is another university out there in a similar situation. Have you changed in any way the information that you are getting from other universities or your interactions with them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

I am reassured that you are involved at Dundee in the audit and risk committee and the finance and policy committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

One question that has arisen—I do not know whether we have reached a conclusion on this yet—is whether the committees’ scrutiny of the executive was sufficient. I presume that you will now pick that up at Dundee. Do you normally have direct interaction with such committees to reassure yourselves, or would you rely on the internal auditors to reassure you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Yes. Do you interact with the external auditors at all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Can you say anything about what Ernst & Young said, or is that confidential?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Fair enough.

The accounts talk about the identified key risks and mention the five top ones, which are cybersecurity, student experience, staff experience, research excellence and financial sustainability. I have to say that the descriptions are quite vague. Under student experience, it says that bad student experience could go on to mean a reduction in student recruitment, but student recruitment was not one of the top risks. Do you look at those identified key risks and assess them in some way, or do you challenge them or accept them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

Is the audit taking longer this year because of the problems?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

That is appreciated.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

John Mason

I was going to ask whether any of you were there at that time. I presume that the auditors do not come out with a statement like that out of the blue. They will have discussed it with you or your predecessors. I presume that, in December 2023, you were convinced that it was a going concern.