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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

John Mason

That is fair.

One of the things that the 2005 act says—in section 17, I think—is that the judge or whoever is leading the inquiry must avoid “unnecessary cost”.

I will start with Ms Morgan this time. You have been involved in a few inquiries. Do you have a view on that issue? Do you think that public inquiries are avoiding unnecessary costs, or do you think that unnecessary costs are being incurred?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

John Mason

Am I right in thinking that some of that would require new legislation, because the Inquiries Act 2005 is what lies behind most of this?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

John Mason

Do you know whether the Scottish Parliament has the power to change the 2005 act?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

John Mason

Yes, because it seems that, sometimes, public pressure builds up and the minister eventually gives way and accepts the need for a public inquiry.

You have already been asked about the issue of terms of reference, so I will not go back over that, but I was interested to read this week that the families of the Chinook helicopter disaster would like there to be a public inquiry so that they can get hold of files. However, they simply want to get hold of those files, so I do not know that a public inquiry is needed. Is that a bit of an outlier? Is it the case that people call for a public inquiry when they want something else?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

John Mason

Some of the suggestions that you and other witnesses have made, such as sharing lawyers and setting up the rooms more rapidly, might save a little bit here and there, but I do not see how that would make a radical change to the cost of, and the time involved in, an inquiry. I have suggested to other witnesses that we might be able to look at it the other way round. We could tell people that they have three years and ÂŁ5 million to do an inquiry and that they should just do the very best that they can within that framework. Would that be a major disadvantage, as compared with the open-ended approach that we seem to have? I put that to Ms McKee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

Yes—we would expect internal and external audit to be involved in that process for the universities, so I will be very interested to see what the report comes out with.

On financial sustainability, we are thinking mainly about universities and colleges, but what about other training providers, such as those in the private sector? Is there any need to oversee them and look at their financial sustainability, or can we simply rely on the private sector to look after that aspect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

So, broadly, you would have more confidence in a bigger organisation than in a smaller one.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

Okay—I am happy to leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

I welcome the draft order. I think that it is great that we will get rid of the Glasgow Colleges Regional Board, and I am delighted that the three colleges will be separate. Can the minister say anything about collaboration between the three colleges going forward? Although I want the colleges to be independent, they will need to work together to some extent.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

John Mason

The convener has already raised a number of issues in the financial area, and that is where I want to go. The Parliament’s website says that a financial memorandum

“should set out best estimates of the costs, savings, and changes to revenues arising from a Bill.”

However, as I understand it from Mr Mott, we do not have an estimate of the pension costs. Does that mean that you are failing to give what is normally expected from a financial memorandum?