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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

John Mason

We have a situation now in which our hospitals are struggling and the Scottish Ambulance Service is swamped. We must take action. From listening to your answers so far, I wonder whether it would be cleaner and neater from a human rights and equalities point of view just to close all the nightclubs, stop all the football matches with attendance over 10,000 and stop all the concerts. That would prevent any human rights issues, would it not? It would just be cleaner. Would that be your preference?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

John Mason

Perhaps Professor Montgomery will come in. I have been looking at the Ada Lovelace Institute paper from May, in which there was an emphasis on things such as testing behavioural impacts. That is all very well if we have time but, surely, we do not have time to do all that kind of stuff when we have to act quickly.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

Covid has been mentioned, and I take all the points that have been made on how that has made it more difficult to get the data. However, if something worsens—and my guess is that quite a few indicators will worsen because of Covid—will it be possible to clearly separate how much of that is because of Covid and how much is for other reasons? For example, an indicator might be improving for various reasons, but Covid has dragged it down.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

So the national performance framework sits in the background, even if it is not always specifically mentioned.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

You talked about whether we are making enough progress on, for example, climate change or child poverty. That brings us back to the question of whether there should be time-limited targets among all this. The convener mentioned that we do not have those so much now, because it is more about continuous improvement, although in relation to climate change, we have a lot of time-limited targets. Are you happy that the switch from time-limited targets to continuous improvement has been the right one, or do we need to shift the approach?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

We have covered a lot of ground already. I think that it was Daniel Johnson who made the point that ministers do not often come to Parliament to talk about the national performance framework. It can also be argued that the rest of us in Parliament—back benchers and Opposition members—do not often ask questions about the national performance framework.

Should we all be concerned that it does not have the high profile that numbers of nurses, police officers or ambulances have? We all get excited about those numbers. Should we do more to promote the national performance framework, or is it not a problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

John Mason

The result of that is that a lot of the public do not know what it is.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

Mr Stevenson, you were laying it on pretty thick that this is going to be impossible to do, but the reality is that loads of other countries have vaccination passports. I think that Greece started its system in July, and France, Switzerland and many others have such a system. They seem to have managed it, so what is the big problem here?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Vaccination Certification

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

My next question is for Dr McMillan from the Law Society. I was interested in what your submission says about the concept of discrimination. You suggested that there had been a case—I will not even try to pronounce it, but it was in the Czech Republic—in which the courts said that it was not discrimination and that it is legal to have passports, certificates or something along those lines. That case particularly affected children.

On the other hand, you raise the point that introduction of a certificate could be discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 because certain groups have not been vaccinated. Will you tell us where you are with that? Is the law changing? Are we uncertain?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Act Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 September 2021

John Mason

My understanding is that quite a few countries have used vaccination certificates already, so I presume that we can learn from them. For example, I understand that Greece announced its scheme on 28 May and that there was a big uptake of vaccinations in June before the certificates came into operation in July. I do not know whether you saw the previous evidence session; in it, Mr Doncaster argued that we should be more like France, where vaccination certificates are required for entry everywhere, so that the scheme would be simple and understood by everyone. What have we learned from other countries’ experiences?