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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

John Mason

I am just following on from what colleagues have already asked about, but I note that Professor Gillies makes the point that

“UEG, Court and their committees and groups should have been aware of the worsening financial situation as early as December 2023”.

You have indicated that there were certainly problems at that point. However, in answer to Mr FitzPatrick, you said that there needed to be savings in 2024-25. If the problems became obvious as early as December 2023, why were cuts not made to expenditure in 2023-24?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

John Mason

You have also accepted that the cash position drifted a bit and that the cash balance went down quite dramatically. We saw a lot of new buildings when we visited last summer. Was it too ambitious to go ahead with some of that capital expenditure? Would it have been better not to spend on building some of those buildings?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

Mr Fotheringham, I understand that you and I are both members of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland, so I will focus on the finances.

Can you explain the system with the management accounts? It appears that some of the accounts did not get to the court in a timely fashion. I assume that the accounts were prepared by relatively junior staff. Did they come to you after that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

That is another of the large four firms.

We have already had a little bit of talk about the slightly hostile environment and the fact that the principal was quite a strong personality, let us say. I wonder whether that is something that the internal auditors might have flagged up. Would you expect them to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

Does that suggest that he did not get involved in a lot of the detail?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

As the finance director, was it not your job to allocate it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

Why was there even a betterment fund? Why did the money not go straight into departments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

I will leave it at that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

At what stage did the principal, Professor Gillespie, get the management accounts?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

John Mason

Okay; fair enough.

I am interested in when the problems should have been picked up. According to Professor Gillies’s answer to question 12 of the report,

“UEG, Court and their committees and groups should have been aware of the worsening financial situation as early as December 2023”.

Do you agree that that should have been the case or do you think that she has misunderstood?