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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

John Mason

Does the member accept that, as with anything in life, it is better to be prepared? One can never be prepared completely for what will come up, but we all have car insurance and a variety of things in life to be prepared for events. Is the principle here not that it is better to be better prepared than we were in March 2020?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Other members might want to come in on that point, so I will not pursue it.

I asked the Fiscal Commission about the emphasis on social security. Cabinet secretary, you have been asked about that. Social security will be protected—indeed, more money will be invested in the area. Will that have a knock-on effect? The concept is that, if we give people who are less well off a bit more money, they will spend it locally and it will quickly come back into the economy and boost jobs and, eventually, tax revenue. The SFC has said that it has not made that assumption. If we give more money to Scottish Enterprise instead, some of it might leak out to very highly paid people.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

I have a few things to ask about. However, first of all, I want to say how much I have appreciated working with Dame Susan Rice over the years. I was on the Finance Committee before the Fiscal Commission was set up and was involved in that process. I have had a long-running relationship with the commission and Dame Susan and I have very much appreciated that.

We have spent quite a lot of time on inflation. On social security, the numbers are going up quite dramatically. It has often been said that if we give more money to people who are less well-off, that will have a secondary effect of boosting the economy, because they will spend the money in local shops on local goods and services. However, when people who are better off have more money, they might spend it abroad or on other things. Does that secondary effect come into the forecasts, or can we not really go that far?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Absolutely. That is a key point.

The reconciliation of £870 million sounds quite scary. However, previously we thought that we had quite a large reconciliation coming along but it turned out not to be quite as bad as that. Should that make me hopeful that, once again, things will improve, or are things very different this time?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Am I right in saying that, last time, even at the end of the year in question, we still forecast a more pessimistic position than turned out to be the case? It is hard to know in advance.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

I thought that I was pessimistic but that underlines it more.

There was a suggestion that you were going to investigate further the slower employment growth in Scotland compared to the UK. Will you expand on what you are going to do?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Would life expectancy be part of that equation, given that it affects things such as the proportion of the population that is working? It seems to be a UK-wide issue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

It has been suggested that the headcount in the public sector would reduce to pre-Covid levels—30,000 fewer staff, I believe. Daniel Johnson gave us some figures earlier, and I believe that there has been an increase of 14,000 in the NHS. Can we expect a reduction of 14,000 in the NHS? How does that work out?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

Is that because the balance between the number of people who are self-employed and those who are employed can change a lot from year to year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts, Resource Spending Review and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

John Mason

I suspect that there would be no end to our discussion of the subject. Another point that the SFC made was about how long inflation might last—I was surprised that it was not more certain on that point. Inflation might come back down; I presume that it will come down if oil prices come back down. However, if oil prices do not come down, it could carry on rising. Do you agree?