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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

That is helpful. I will move to a slightly different angle. Brian Whittle asked about groups, including ethnic minority groups, with a lower vaccine uptake. I was struck by the geographical spread of uptake. SPICe provided us with some figures. For example, 96.4 per cent of people in East Dunbartonshire have had two doses, whereas the figure for Glasgow, which I happen to represent, is only 78.9 per cent. That seems to be quite a variation. Should I be worried about that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

Our advisers suggested that we look at why people are not getting vaccinated and that we perhaps need to do more work on that. The three words that they used were “complacency”, “confidence” and “convenience”, as the things that are stopping people or that we can encourage. Some people are complacent about getting vaccinated—certification probably helps with that. On the confidence issue, do we just have to accept that there is a core element of the population that will just not be vaccinated no matter what we do, or do we need to do more work in that area?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

If we are okay for time, convener, I will aim my next question at Professor Noakes. I want to follow up on what she said to Murdo Fraser. She talked about air-cleaning technologies and high-efficiency particulate filters, which I am trying to get my head round.

I have an issue with ScotRail, our railway operator. This might be slightly different from the situation with buildings, but ScotRail has some trains with locked windows. They could be opened, but they are not. I asked ScotRail whether it would be better to open the windows, but it said that its artificial air-circulation system is just as good as having the windows open. Is that likely to be true?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

That is helpful.

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Baseline Health Protection Measures

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

Building on what folk have said so far, I have a couple of questions. First, I am assuming that older buildings might be better in this regard than newer buildings, because their ceilings are higher and they are probably more draughty because they are not as well sealed. I am thinking of public buildings and people’s homes. Is that a fair assumption?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

That leads me to where I was going next. I understand that more venues in Wales, including cinemas, will require people to have a certificate. I have been enthusiastic about the certification scheme, including the fact that it is limited to what I would call extra activities or things that are not a major part of people’s lives. That has been a good way to deal with it.

However, it is clear that the scheme is beginning to expand—we can call it creep or whatever. I think that Professor Leitch said that more places are requiring certification. For example, I am going to a COP26 meeting on Monday night where they want to see my vaccination certificate. That event is important to me. I do not go to big football matches, as members know, so I have not needed to use my certificate much. Are you worried that organisations could be using the scheme excessively? How do you see the scheme working, moving forward?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

What about employers who want their employees to have a certificate? Does that take it to another level of pressure?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2021

John Mason

Does Professor Leitch want to say something on that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

John Mason

We have already covered quite a lot of ground. I note that in the amendment number 3 regulations, we are recognising mixed-dose vaccinations, both from this country and overseas. If I remember correctly, previously we were not mixing vaccines, and there was a bit of uncertainty about doing so. There was a suggestion that it might give greater protection, although there might be more side effects. Will you give us an update on that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

John Mason

We have not mentioned vaccine certificates much today. Is there any evidence so far that they are encouraging people to get jags?