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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

I may go over some of the ground that the convener has already been over. The assumption is that it is a good thing to have a medium-term financial strategy and plans for the future. For example, the Scottish Fiscal Commission and the Office for Budget Responsibility look 50 years ahead. As has been said, we must balance the budget every year, but unexpected issues can come up. An example is the UK Government giving public sector workers a higher pay increase, which we must follow. Are you convinced that there is value in having a five-year plan?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Can you spell out the difference that it could have made if we had had better and more frequent medium-term financial strategies in the past few years? You mentioned capital projects and workforce planning. Where might it have made a difference to those things, as well as to other aspects in the future? There are many capital projects鈥攚e want to build more houses and dual the A9鈥攂ut we will not know what the capital budget is, so can we plan ahead?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Okay. On a slightly different subject, you are a bit sceptical about the committees doing year-round work if they do not have enough information from the Government to do it. Can you expand on that? I am keen on the idea that the committees do work throughout the year in relation to the budget. For example, the Education, Children and Young People Committee has been looking at the situation at Dundee university, which has become quite a challenge. I see that as part of that committee鈥檚 budget work鈥攊t is not coming from the Government, it is coming from the circumstances and the situation around funding for universities. Do you not think that it is possible for the committees to do a lot of their budget work regardless of whether they get information from the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Michelle Thomson mentioned debt. That seems to be a difference between the UK鈥檚 sustainability鈥攐r lack of it鈥攁nd Scotland鈥檚, because debt is not an issue for us; we have only to cut our spending.

The stark figures show that, at the moment, the UK鈥檚 public debt is 98 per cent of GDP and that it will potentially go up to 274 per cent. Is there a psychological level at which the UK Government will have to do something? I would have thought that 100 per cent of GDP would have quite a psychological impact and that getting to 100 per cent is quite a big deal. Can you forecast鈥攐r does the OBR forecast鈥攖hat when we get to, say, 150 per cent, the UK will suddenly change direction? Is it a gradual thing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

I want to touch on one final area. I do not see much in the report about preventative spend. In one sense, all health spending is preventative, because spending on health improves people鈥檚 health, which prevents illness. However, is there an issue with how we spend the health money? If we put more into general practice and primary care and cut the money going to hospitals a bit, would that have a benefit in the long run? Have you considered that sort of issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Would I be right in saying that, despite financial incentives, no country has succeeded in increasing the birth rate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

As has been raised鈥攁nd we will probably raise it in our next session as well鈥攊f you lay out a number of scenarios A, B, C and D, the media will go for the absolute worst of them. If we said that, if teachers get a pay increase, class sizes will have to increase to compensate, that would immediately become the headline. Politically, is it realistic to lay out options, some of which would be pretty unpalatable?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

You are talking about things like alcohol, tobacco and all of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

John Mason

Being a little bit pessimistic, as I think that some of my colleagues are, too, today, it seems to me that, however well we do, however much we spend and however healthy the population becomes, the demand for health services will just grow and grow and grow. We will never be able to meet the demand; there will never be a time when supply equals demand. You can absolutely disagree with me. We have already mentioned mental health and obesity, which, when I was younger, were not talked about as much or were not there. Something else will turn up. If we sort obesity and mental health, it will be something else tomorrow, will it not?