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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Thank you. We have had quite a lot of varied evidence, and a representative of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development spoke to us about the issue of what a resource spending review is. Their suggestion was that a resource spending review is slightly different in Scotland and the UK than it is in other countries. In other countries, there seems to be more of an emphasis on examining what they are spending money on at the moment. I do not know whether you saw or picked up on any of that evidence, but do you feel that there was any validity in the point that the OECD was making?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Do you think that it is different in practice in other countries or are they just facing the same issues in a slightly different way?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

That is a reasonable answer but, in five or 10 years, there will be—on the whole—a different lot of politicians around the table, and I do not know how willing they will be to put resources into preventative spend.

We mentioned Professor Morris and his report, and you said that the Government was considering the interim report. Is the Government responding to him at this point, or are you waiting for the final report?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

My constituency has a whole load of sandstone tenements, which are incredibly difficult to retrofit. I accept that it is expensive, but I sometimes wonder whether we should do more of it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

I want to pursue that, because we have not touched on housing until now. What would be the practical impact on housing associations if the freeze continued beyond March and they had less income? Would you cut back on maintenance and things like that?

My other point is on capital expenditure. What is your thinking in that respect? We are going to build more houses, but should we be doing more on the retrofit side to try to improve heating costs and so on? Have we got the right balance between retrofit and building new houses? The Passivhaus approach comes into that; I have such buildings in my constituency, and they have been built to a very high standard, although I think that they were more expensive. How do we strike the right balance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

I will stick to the same theme. As David Lonsdale is sitting next to me, I want to ask the Scottish Retail Consortium how it—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

Oh, right. That is good timing.

If I understood the SRC’s submission, it would like business rates to be lower and it would probably like income tax to be lower, too, so that consumers have more money to spend in the shops. Would you, like Unison, take the view that we could raise some of our taxes to compensate for that? Where do you see the balance between raising taxes and losing money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

John Mason

I have another question, which is for Clare Reid from the SCDI. If I understood you correctly, you do not like the idea of fiscal drag, in which people effectively pay more tax because of inflation, for example. I think that your argument is that increasing productivity would be a better way of doing things. My question for you is more about timing. Even if we do improve productivity, we are probably talking about three, four, five or 10 years, whereas fiscal drag can help the finances now, can it not?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

I will start with a question for the OECD representative, whom the convener questioned earlier. I am interested in how other countries are thinking about future pandemics and Covid, and whether they are putting money into that area just now, given all the other pressures that we have been talking about. For example, we have talked in this committee about how much of a store of personal protective equipment we should be keeping in preparation for the next pandemic, and whether we should be keeping laboratories open and functioning, or mothballed, in preparation for future requirements when we do not need them right now. Can you give us a flavour, or some examples, of what other countries are doing in that regard?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I will press you a little more on the specifics of Covid and being prepared for another pandemic. You suggest that, overall, countries are being sensible and are thinking through what cuts they would make. Are most countries protecting practical things such as PPE supply, laboratory availability and that kind of thing?