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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

I have a few questions. There was a UK budget—I consider it to have been a budget, whatever it was called—without OBR forecasts. What is the risk of not having forecasts tied into the budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Following on from that, a number of housing associations were in touch with me over the weekend, especially in relation to this week’s Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Bill. However, before the legislation came up, they had already looked at cutting back capital expenditure in relation to new houses, because even before the rent freeze proposal, they were only planning a rent increase of 5 or 6 per cent.

One association told me that it is stopping all new builds. It will only complete what it is already doing and do maintenance. It was borrowing £40 million for new builds and it has now cancelled that with the bank. Will that have an impact on our capital expenditure, because that is not so much about us borrowing, it is about trying to help other people?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Is it your understanding that the UK Government had forecasts that warned about those things, but ignored them and went ahead anyway, or did it not even look at the forecasts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

If housing associations are to build less, that will be a saving on the capital budget for the Government, presumably, because they will not be wanting the grants that they could have had?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

John Mason

Talking of capital expenditure, we had evidence from South Lanarkshire Council saying that, although we say that inflation is 10 per cent, 11 per cent or whatever, in some capital projects it was facing 30 per cent inflation. An example was in building a bridge, primarily because of the shortage of steel, which I believe comes from Ukraine. Do you recognise that kind of inflation figure and that it is different in different sectors?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

That is super. I would like to ask quite a few other questions, but I will be specific. You said that a key aim is to have a health system that is strong and robust to start with. Some people might say that we should have hundreds of extra beds in hospitals, sitting empty most of the time, so that when a pandemic or similar event comes along we are all ready for it. Obviously, that would come with a cost. Do you have any thoughts on how we balance spending on preventative measures and spending on reactive measures? Clearly, we are under financial pressure at the moment, and having labs or hospitals sitting empty has a cost.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Yes, please—that would be helpful.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

That is very helpful in allowing us to understand the way ahead.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

I think that we are now at the stage where, whether I ask you a question in the Finance and Public Administration Committee or in this committee, I am asking similar questions—we are very much overlapping with other committees. I will build on the cost side of things. We heard evidence, which has already been mentioned today, that we will need higher levels of stock of PPE, for example. There might be laboratories that were built or created during the pandemic that we are mothballing but keeping in place. I wonder how we get the balance right. I go back to the question of preventative spend. So much of the work of preparing for another pandemic involves preventative spend, which is a good thing, but we are facing these pressures, which you have just been discussing with Mr Rowley.

Therefore, how do you see that work going forward—not just this year but in future years? How do we get the balance right between being prepared and reacting to what is happening now?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

John Mason

Professor, I would like to clarify a point. The report is an interim one. I noted that your chair’s summary said that

“these are important and achievable ambitions to which the Scottish Government and its partners will wish to respond.â€

Are you expecting a response from the Government to the interim report, which would then feed into your final report?