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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

John Mason

We might come back to that point later.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

John Mason

I will let David Page come in first because I think that he wanted to come in anyway, and then perhaps one of the other smaller organisations would come in. Perhaps Anthony Daye from South of Scotland Enterprise would like to answer.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

John Mason

As I understand it, you are working on having a performance measurement framework that we will see in the autumn. Is that the case? Really, that will be when we can start measuring how you are doing. Is that fair?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

John Mason

I am a great believer in taking a long-term view of things, rather than short-term views. I have looked at your website: you have done a couple of reports on the impact of the cost of energy. That is a crowded space—so many people are commenting on the cost of living and the price of energy. Like my colleague Gordon MacDonald, I looked on Google. I looked up “prepayment meters Scotland” and, under that, I got Ofgem, Citizens Advice, MoneySuperMarket, the Enfield Poverty and Inequality Commission and Which? magazine, which comes in to me every month. It seems to be an incredibly crowded space. Perhaps I should say that I have a prepayment meter; it is a good thing. Prepayment meters help people budget when they are on limited incomes, which is why I started with it. I appreciate that you have been pushing for them to be dealt with more fairly so that people do not pay more, but my colleague Anne McLaughlin and so many other people are in that space. I am struggling to see what you add to that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

John Mason

Citizens Advice can say, “We have saved people £21 million this year, and here is a definite figure”.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

John Mason

As I am a substitute member of the committee, I am perhaps less familiar with some of this than some of my colleagues. It is interesting, however, that, having listened to the questions, I am in some of the same space. The question that I was going to ask you was, if you had not existed for the past year, what would the difference be? However, I am also open to hearing from you that that is an unfair question and that I should really wait 10 years and then perhaps ask what difference you have made. Is that an unfair question?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

Yes. On improving efficiency, in one sense, if the budget is limited and councils and health boards have to work within a restricted budget, does that not force efficiency?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

You are okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

We might come back to that and explore it a bit more.

Ms Payne, Reform Scotland’s evidence is quite strong in pushing that decisions should be made at local levels. Could you comment on some of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

John Mason

I thank all our witnesses. Is there anything that we have not touched on that you feel we should have asked you about, or anything that you wanted to say that you have not had the opportunity to say?

No? You are all looking quite happy, which is good.

Thank you all very much indeed. I found that fascinating and helpful. This has been about scene-setting for the inquiry. At our next meeting, we will continue to take evidence on the Scottish Government’s public service reform programme.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. The next item on our agenda, which will be discussed in private, is consideration of our work programme.

10:59 Meeting continued in private until 11:27.