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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

You have suggested that some local authorities might continue to run assets such as care homes—certainly, Glasgow has built some quite modern ones—and that some assets might be transferred into the national care service. An issue has been raised with us about how the finances for that would work. Some councils might have paid off loans, but some might still have loans or public-private partnership agreements linked to new care homes. Do you know whether the Government would be taking on the loan as well as the asset or, again, will that be considered in later discussions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

You mentioned staff transfer, which is another issue that has been raised with us. Even among care staff working for councils, there will be a wide range of terms and conditions at the moment, and that range will be even wider when the third and private sectors are brought in. Where are we on the costs of that? I presume that, in the long run, the aim is to consolidate people’s terms and conditions so that they are more consistent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

With the college regionalisation process, it took quite a lot of time to align the staff terms and conditions and pay. Is it fair to say that that would be quite a major process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

My final question follows on from that. Many people are comparing the NCS with the NHS. The NHS has quite a mixed model because, in effect, general practitioners and dentists are private businesses. Is it that the kind of mixed model that you foresee as the way forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

John Mason

I will build on some of what has already been said. On how much planning was done before the bill was introduced and how many care boards there will be, I imagine that the costs would be quite different if there were 32 care boards, which would match each council area, or eight or nine, which would match the health board areas as they are. At what stage is the thinking on that? Is that also a co-design issue?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

That is helpful—thank you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

That is a one-word answer—thank you.

I am thinking specifically of city and town centres. We do not really know whether they are going to recover and whether people will eventually go back. Do you want to expand on that “No”?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. It struck me that some students might work for only a few hours a week and some might not, but some would be counted as economically inactive and some as active.

We had evidence from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, which talked about “the effective workforce”. It will be interesting to hear what other people think about that but I take it to mean people who are doing full-time jobs.

The other angle on that is that some people have definitely reassessed their whole lifestyle and work-life balance. A lot of us would say that that is a good thing—you can spend a bit more time with your family and so on. I heard one guy on the radio last week—a musician—saying that he previously never took breaks, and now he is taking breaks. That is good in a sense, but it probably contributes less to the economy.

I am struggling a wee bit here to ask a specific question. Is the issue that people are doing fewer hours and have a better work-life balance, but that is actually damaging the economy? I am not sure who wants to answer that.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I am interested in where things are going as we move forward, so I will link that to a suggestion in your paper, Professor Fothergill, that in some areas there is no point in investing in or boosting the economy further because those areas already have full employment. You said that we should target our support more at areas where there is not full employment, which I presume are the needier areas.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

John Mason

There is a lot to follow up on. I want to clarify some of the data—perhaps this is a question for Mr Freeman from the ONS. It is about the term “economic inactivity”. Do I understand it correctly that people who might only work one hour a week and people who might work 35 hours a week are all lumped together and defined as economically active? Is that correct?