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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 July 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

Ms Klair, from the perspective of the TUC, do you agree with what was just said? Are employers just not doing enough? Should there be some sort of enforcement on employers?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

Is it the case that larger employers are perhaps a bit more sympathetic and able to adapt, whereas smaller employers are less tolerant, or is it not as simple as that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I will move on to pensions with Mr Fairs. You seem positive that even somebody with a small pension pot could take some money out of it, which would give them a bit of flexibility in their later working life. The Trades Union Congress has said, to counter that, that it would lead to people being in poverty once they retire. Are people who are in their 50s and 60s getting the advice that they need, and how does that compare with other countries? Do we have more flexibility in those areas than other countries have?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

I want to hear from some of the other witnesses. Perhaps Mr Cribb could answer first, and then I will come to Mr Zemanik.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

We have covered quite a lot of ground, so I might return to one or two issues that we have already touched on.

Ms Allan, you have made the point that “economically inactive” might not be the best phrase. I want to ask you more about that because some people—women especially—are very active, but they are not counted as economically active because they are not paid. Is there a fundamental problem with the way that we calculate those statistics?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

While we are talking about flexibility, do you see a difference on that between large and small employers?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

That is a good point for me to come to Mr Zemanik. In your area, do you see differences between large and small employers in that respect?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

I will pursue that point with Dr Cameron. Is there a big difference between large and small employers? It strikes me, from some of the things that we have heard from other witnesses, that although job sharing or training and reskilling people while they are in employment, for example, may work for big employers, they might be a problem for small employers.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

Who should lead on that support? Should it be the employer, Skills Development Scotland or somebody else?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

Thanks. That is helpful.

Long Covid has been mentioned. We had a brief answer that employers should do more to support workers—especially women—with long Covid. Can you expand on that and say what kind of help is needed? What should employers do?