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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

So, there is no effect, and I am correct in saying that that issue is, effectively, looked after by the Treasury at Westminster and does not impact on us at all, as it stands.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Right. I am still toiling a wee bit, but, anyway, I will keep going. That £20.7 million is part of a total of £223.9 million that is included as savings in the ABR at the bottom of that table. After that, paragraph 51 states that there is a balance of £191.5 million. What is the difference between those two columns—the one that shows a total of £223.9 million and the one that shows a total of £191.5 million?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Okay. There is a degree of uncertainty around that column, and it could be that a department that looks like it is overspending manages to catch up over the next few months. That would be good news, I guess.

Paragraph 53 says:

“The EBR process identified approximately £615 million of additional options for spending reductions”.

So, those are not definite. That suggests that there is a degree of uncertainty around that figure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

Right. The final area that I wanted to ask about was the question of the spillover dispute with the UK Government. I know that that is a debate that has been going on for some time. I think that we have a figure of £375 million now: is that what the Scottish Government was expecting. Is it more or less?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

That was a good estimate, so that is good.

Looking at the current year—2022-23—and the £25 million or whatever it might be, given what Liz Smith has already asked about with regard to how we are a bit uncertain about the timing of the framework review, I am a bit concerned that that is involving the current year’s budget. Presumably, the uncertainty about that figure causes you quite a lot of uncertainty about what you can do this year. I do not know whether there are other figures elsewhere that will be backdated to 1 April, depending on when the spending review is. We might not even know that until next year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

John Mason

I am not sure that it does. I was not going to ask you about that paragraph, but now you have raised it, I will. Can we say that the £25 million is small enough in the scale of things to mean that we can just cope with that? We are looking at other figures, and I do not know whether the £25 million is in the £324 million or whether the £324 million is different.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

I will come to the other witnesses, but you have raised in my mind various ideas that I would like to pursue. Another element could be support for people whose health is not so good, which might include those suffering from long Covid or other illnesses. Is that also an issue? I would think that employers should be providing more support in order to keep people in the workplace, but I can see that, if someone has only four or five employees it would be difficult to offer them health support. Is there an issue there?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

That would be helpful. I read your evidence, and it suggested that some employers are perhaps not adhering to the law, let alone anything else, when it comes to health and safety, which would presumably cover that as well.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

It is helpful to make those points because there are many repercussions. We could probably explore that further, but I will leave it at that.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 November 2022

John Mason

Okay. Thanks.

From a slightly different angle, but on a related point, would you say that some employers are biased against older workers and older recruits? I do not know whether that is too blunt to say.