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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

John Mason

I will come back to you on that, but I will let Mr Black come in first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

John Mason

I am sorry to interrupt you. Do you agree that, often, people give their views and then the Government, the committee or whoever says, “We have heard and considered your views, but we disagree with them”, yet people think that they have not been heard at all?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Long Covid Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 March 2023

John Mason

I take your point that there might be general public awareness of long Covid, but we continue to have problems in certain sectors of the community that are not engaged with health services anyway. Men in more deprived areas hardly ever engage unless there is something very seriously wrong, and vaccine uptake tends to be worse among some ethnic minorities and in poorer areas. What work are we doing—and what could we do—to engage with the people who have not been so engaged in the past?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Long Covid Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 March 2023

John Mason

There is a lot of misinformation, which the committee looked at previously, about vaccines and vaccine damage. I do not know whether you agree, but it is my view that it would help if we could get some simple figures out, such as the one that I still use a lot, which is that vaccines saved 20 million lives. I assume that the number has gone up, although I still use that figure. Simple messages like that might get through to people. Someone came into my office last Friday who was still very wary of the vaccines and needed some reassurance.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Long Covid Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 March 2023

John Mason

Yes—I think that we had evidence earlier that a lot of the people with long Covid had Covid before there was a vaccine available. Is that broadly the case?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Long Covid Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 March 2023

John Mason

Okay, thanks.

Comparisons with myalgic encephalomyelitis have come through in the inquiry. ME has been around for 40 years—or, at least, it has been recognised for that length of time. We all know sufferers of ME. We have never found a cure for or an answer to it, and it has been difficult to pin down. Is that where we are going with long Covid—that it will continue to be incredibly difficult to pin down and we will probably not get one simple solution?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Long Covid Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 March 2023

John Mason

On the theme of educating people, we would expect that, in the health service, there would be a good understanding of long Covid, but a lot of other employers, such as those in the private sector, might not understand the condition and what they could and should do to support employees. Is any work going on, or can any work go on, for employers, such as small employers who do not know an awful lot about the topic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

John Mason

Professor Cairney, your paper is full of contrasts or, some would say, paradoxes. Colleagues have mentioned a few, and I will mention a few more.

Under the heading “Fostering equity, fairness, or justice”, you talk about the focus

“on efficiency, using economic tools … to identify how to produce the highest benefits from the same costs”,

but you say that policy

“should also prioritise the fair distribution of costs and benefits.”

Is it not possible to be efficient and fair?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

John Mason

That touches on one of the other issues that I want to raise, which is mentioned later in your report. It concerns the idea of decentralisation, flexibility, collaborative working and all those sorts of things, as against setting a clear ambition for national accountability.

I suppose that I would feel that that is the case; you can either go too far one way or too far the other. If there is a clear, driving ambition from central Government, that means that local government and everyone else will get squashed. On the other hand, however, if you allow local government—or local health boards or local anything—to do whatever it wants, there is no coherence to that. I feel that, ultimately, that is impossible to square.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

John Mason

Everything that you say leads to more possible questions, but I will ask you just one more. I go back to what you say in your report, under the heading “Responsible and accountable government”, with regard to who the łÉČËżěĘÖ and elected members are. You say that there should be “a clear link between” how the citizens vote and members of Parliament, and therefore the Executive. I do not know whether we have that at the moment.

I am more interested in the second bullet point, in which you refer to

“The recruitment of elected politicians from a diverse pool of candidates, to boost the representativeness of parliaments in relation to social background.”

We have tried to get a balance between men and women. What could we do to really get a cross-section of society in Parliament? Is that another impossibility?

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