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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Financial sustainability has been mentioned by one or two of the witnesses, so I will ask you about that. Section 9 of the bill states:

“The Council must secure the monitoring of the financial sustainability of post-16 education bodies.â€

We were told that that happens at the moment; it is just being formalised. Paul Grice, does it happen at the moment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

That is clear enough. Thank you. I will come back to the other two witnesses shortly. Could you give us an idea of some of the figures that are involved in this? The point has been made that the colleges get a lot more money than the private providers. I assume that the cost varies with the apprenticeship, but what is it costing an employer either to pay a college—the colleges have told us that employers are expected to pay part of the cost—or to pay you for the training?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Ms Lowe, do you want to add anything to all that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Do not tell me if it is confidential, but you are quite a small organisation, are you not? You are presumably being audited yourselves. The SFC is obviously more geared for bigger organisations. If anything happened to you personally, or to your organisation, would there be continuity? Could it carry on with the apprentices?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Is the employer paying the apprentices on top of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Your member organisations guarantee your existence, do they not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Presumably, you are financially solid, because all those little businesses are supporting you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

Not for you, obviously, no. I am not meaning the three who are here, but do you think that, out in the training world, there are some that are less scrupulous?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

You may know why I am asking you some of this. It appears that the SFC did not pick up that there were problems at the University of Dundee before the university told it about them. It concerns me slightly that the SFC is just sitting there, waiting for information to appear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

John Mason

I just wanted to get a feel for how the relationship works.

From the colleges’ perspective, how is the relationship and how might it be?