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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

One of the quotes that the convener used earlier was from your letter from July, which talked about “consistency of outcomes”. I presume that that is one of the main aims. Sometimes, there is a bit of tension between consistency of outcomes nationally and doing things locally, which you have just referred to, and I wonder how that will impact on costs. For example, in the Highlands, distances are greater, so if somebody is going to visit a person at home, that will take longer. It is also further to get to hospital, which is a different issue. However, by contrast, in Glasgow, there is sometimes a feeling that people have to be in greater need to get an intervention than is the case in other authorities, just because the overall need is so huge.

At the moment, COSLA and the councils get their funding through a formula. Will the national care service override that formula? Will finances be targeted at areas of greater need? How will that work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

I stay on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, and it still costs more than £100.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Would a hotel prefer to have me not stay than to have me take a lower-priced room?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Is that your view, too, Ms Maclean?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Would you like to suggest one or two bodies that we could drop?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Ms Maclean?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Would you prefer it to be a national thing rather than a local thing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

That was a very full answer, which I appreciated and largely agreed with. Have we got to the detail of how the finances would work for that? If, for example, a young person has a care package in Shetland and then they go to university in Aberdeen, would the money move with them? Would that be up to individual councils or would it be so nationalised that it would all come out of a national pot?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

I want to ask about one minor point, for clarity. In the annex to the letter of 16 June, figures were quoted for 2021-22 and 2022-23, but for 2023-24 it says “period 1”. Is that the first month or the first quarter?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

If I wanted to find the annual figures, could I multiply the period 1 figures by 12, roughly?