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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

Deputy First Minister, I take your point that we will have another session on the fiscal framework, but if you do not mind, I want to ask you a few questions about it. If you want to come back to us at a later point, that would be okay.

We were all a bit surprised about how quick the whole process was. We had thought that the previous report would have been published, that there would have been outlines for a review and that it would have gone backwards and forwards. I was certainly caught by surprise when it was all agreed. I remember that, the previous time, it was John Swinney who was negotiating. The draft framework was put to Parliament and the Conservatives said that we should accept a poor deal, but John Swinney carried on arguing and we ended up with a better deal. Can you explain the timeline of what happened?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

That has worried the committee previously, and I think that we will look at that. Are there any updates that you can give? Can you say anything about timelines?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Ms Cook, on the idea of having a debate about tax, would small businesses prefer to pay more tax and rates and get better road surfaces, street lighting and hospitals and more police, or would they prefer to drop domestic rates and other tax and have poorer services? Is that a debate that we can have?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

I think that it was suggested in one of the papers that we should have a discussion on tax and spending. I very much agree that we should because there has been public thinking—in Scotland and the UK—that we want lower taxes and better public services, and I feel that there is a tension there. Is it possible to have that kind of debate with the wider public sector, or even your sector?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Can you explain what you mean by “tax base”, for those who do not understand the term?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

I will start with hospitality. Ms Maclean indicated that the sector is struggling. Does the situation vary geographically? It seems to me that, in Edinburgh, hotel prices are quite high, which indicates that there is a lot of demand. Last September, I could fairly easily get a hotel for a night for less than £100. I could not find one this September for less than £100, and some of them are not fancy hotels. Is the situation patchy around the country? I presume that we do not need to support hotels in Edinburgh.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

I have just booked in Aberdeen at £60.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

That is good.

The committee also looks at public sector reform. It has been suggested that there are too many public bodies and that we have a cluttered landscape. Are there too many public bodies? Is the landscape too cluttered? I put that to each of you. Obviously, your answers will reflect the sectors that you are representing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

You agree with Sandy Begbie.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

John Mason

Okay, so we will learn more about that in due course; that is great.

The minister wrote to me on 16 June, when I was in my temporary role as convener of the committee, and mentioned working

“on policies to support improvement in the delivery of social care support that are not reliant on the NCS legislation”.

Has the split between what we can do now and what we need the legislation to do changed—or is it in the process of changing—so that we are less reliant on the bill and could do more without it?