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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

As a committee, we have to go back and say whether it is a good or a bad financial memorandum. Which do you think that we should say?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

From a slightly different angle but on the same subject, the financial memorandum states that the costs that the Scottish Environment Protection Agency might get or need in relation to the disposal of unsold consumer goods range from 拢30,000 to 拢200,000, the latter being if it was more proactive. I find that interesting because it is a very wide range and it brings in the issue of being proactive, which I did not particularly see elsewhere in relation to either councils or anyone else. That raises the wider question of whether you want to be more proactive. Do you need to be more proactive, and would that really cost seven times more than if you did the minimum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

However, if the person who was involved challenged that, would you find it hard to prove?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

Absolutely. That is right.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

I will press you on that point. You say that the borrowing capacity has increased, which it has, but we thought that we were going to have a 拢700 million adjustment. Thankfully, we will not have a 拢700 million adjustment, but if we had done, the new borrowing limit would not have covered it. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

I certainly accept that that is positive, but it still worries me that certain things were not on the table and that a wider review was not on the table. I feel that there is a fundamental problem, even with the index per capita method. Our population is struggling because Westminster will not allow extra immigration into Scotland. We compete pretty well with all the regions of England apart from London and the south-east. Earlier, you said that, when it comes to inward investment, we are second only to London and the south-east. However, we are always second to London and the south-east. Therefore, it seems to me that, when we compare our economic growth with England鈥檚, we are comparing ourselves with a country that is dominated by London and the south-east. Call me pessimistic, but I struggle to see how we will ever be able to compete with them, so we will always be financially disadvantaged.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

I will move on to one or two other points. The committee had a useful away day in Largs, when we listened to local people鈥檚 ideas about the budget. Everyone accepted the fact that we face difficult financial times. There was a degree of openness鈥攊n the group that I was in, certainly鈥攖o a little more means testing and a little less in the way of universal benefits. When we pressed people, we found that they were not suggesting means testing to access the NHS or schools. What is your thinking and that of the Government on how we can get the balance there? Currently, some things are means tested, and some things are universal. How do we get the balance right on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

We have been told by witnesses that the public sector landscape is cluttered, given the number of organisations. Some of the individuals and organisations in Largs brought that up as well. Another issue that has been raised with us is that although individual organisations can make savings, that is not really reform. The police would never have combined into one organisation without a central Government push. How much is the Government thinking of pushing for the kind of reform that would involve reducing the number of bodies?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland鈥檚 Finances

Meeting date: 3 October 2023

John Mason

We are still hoping that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury or others will come to the committee to explain some of the fiscal framework process to us. We have been having difficulty with that.