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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

I am thinking wider than just unsold consumer goods. Going through all this, do you think that the costs, finances and expectations are based on you doing the minimum, or is there an expectation that you will be鈥攐r do you hope to be鈥攎ore proactive in this area?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

Okay. I will leave it at that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

I will follow on from some of the points that have already been made. Mr Devine said that the financial memorandum was helpful and that it goes into a bit more detail than before. Is there enough detail in it, or do you accept that there has to be uncertainty because of the further discussions that have to take place? Should there be more certainty in the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

Some of these points come from the Dundee City Council submission, which is why I am focusing on it. In relation to the disposal of unsold goods, you make the point that no budget at all is put in for councils. Should it be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

Mr Jack, you said that a lot is going into residual waste. A figure somewhere said that 60 per cent of residual waste could have been recycled. It seems to me that where I live, in Glasgow, or in my part of Glasgow at least, some of the issue is due to a lack of education. People put things in a plastic bag and put the bag in the recycling bin, whereas, as I understand it, the plastic bag should not go into the recycling bin. The paper and cans should all be put in loose, so there is an education issue there.

There is also a bit of confusion between different councils, given that some of us live close to other council areas. My mother used to live in South Lanarkshire, which does things differently from Glasgow. It used to be the case that here in the Parliament, and in Edinburgh, you had to put both the plastic bottle and the top into the recycling bin, whereas in Glasgow you do not put the top in, only the bottle. There is a lot of confusion there, which presumably means that we need education.

On the other hand, there is a macho image, at least in Glasgow, that you do not put litter in the bin. That does not give you the right image鈥攊t is not cool鈥攁nd you certainly do not split your rubbish up between different bins, because that is not cool either.

Can councils do more and should they have been doing more? Would it cost more if you were to start challenging those things?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

Some people are fanatical. For example, my sister鈥擨 hope that she is not watching鈥攖akes the labels off jam jars, which I consider ridiculous.

Kirsty, will you comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

That sounds positive. Charlie, is that level of involvement not possible in the cities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

I accept that that is a problem.

The final issue that I want to talk about is the proposal on littering from vehicles. I find it hard to get my head around how it could possibly work unless there is somebody with a camera photographing people who are dropping litter out of vehicles. What would the cost of that proposal be? The financial memorandum suggests that it could be self-financing. Is that possible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

To take another angle, I want to pick up your point that, in future, you might not be allowed to charge for the uplift of specific items such as garden waste. Glasgow has just started doing that, and I think that other councils have been doing it. Will you explain to us what the issue is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

John Mason

Mr Jack, you referred to grey bins. I do not know what people can put into grey bins in your council area, but in mine grey bins are only for food. Could councils work together and have the same colours of bins? Would that help?