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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

John Mason

Perhaps the main risk is that it runs over budget.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

I am also on the Finance and Public Administration Committee. I do not want to overlap too much, but that committee is concerned about the number of organisations in Scotland. This is a small country, but we are getting more commissioners and more councils, commissions or whatever we want to call them. Am I right in saying that there is an assumption in the Government that we should not set up new bodies, except as a last resort?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

In quite a lot of what you have said, you have emphasised the relationship between Holyrood—including the Scottish Government, the Scottish Parliament and everything else—and Westminster. That is obviously not something that we can control. I note that you say:

“I warmly welcomed and reciprocated the keenness of the then Chair of Westminster’s SSAC to liaise regularly with SCoSS”.

That sounds positive, although I do not know whether that is continuing now that you are not there. Is there anything that we in Scotland can do to improve the relationship with the DWP, or is it just going to be one of those things that fluctuates over time?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

I will focus on the financial side of things. We have asked previous witnesses about the financial memorandum. If the council were to be established—I accept that the Government is not keen for that to happen—do you think that the figures in the financial memorandum are realistic?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

That is also helpful. Another comment that you make is:

“Despite such constraints on policy changes, Scottish Government has thankfully been able to diverge a long way from Westminster”.

Is that more about how we do things, rather than the actual content?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

Another cost that has been mentioned is that of the information technology set-up. We all know that IT costs sometimes run out of control. An IT set-up cost of ÂŁ50,000 has been suggested, with annual maintenance costs of only ÂŁ7,000. Those figures seem quite low to me.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

You have made the point that, even if a new council was set up and it recommended an expansion of who could receive benefits, that would not necessarily happen, for a variety of reasons, one of which relates to cost. If the council was set up and it recommended that more people should get benefits—more women, for example, or more people with other injuries or diseases, or perhaps stress—where would the budget come from? The fire service has been looking for support to deal with cancer-related issues, and there are teachers with stress and so on. This is not in the bill, but if the figure of £84 million, or £81 million, that has been mentioned were to double, would that be financially feasible?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

Without pre-empting the coming consultation, you are saying that that could be an option and that all the advice, research and other functions could be fitted into an existing body, instead of setting up a new one.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

You raise quite a lot of points, one of which is about research. I understand that, at the UK level, there is only ÂŁ100,000 for research, which seems incredibly low. The bill proposes a figure of ÂŁ30,000 for research. Do you get a lot of research for ÂŁ30,000, as far as you know?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

John Mason

My question may be partly on the same theme. You wrote in your paper:

“It has been a story of high expectations bumping up against implicit, consequently rendered explicit, constraints”.

How many of the constraints are financial constraints? You have spoken quite a lot about bureaucracy, process and so on, but is one of the major constraints a lack of finance?