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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Mr Halcro Johnston referred to the crisis reserve. Is that the same as the national reserve that is referred to?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

That would be less than 10 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

I just wondered whether it was referring to a different figure, or whether I was misreading it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

I am sorry—that was a little unfair of me. I think that you are saying that that will be one of the factors that you consider when you look at how we might go forward. If one particular scheme could be run easily compared to another scheme that would be complex to run, you would take into account the cost of administration.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Paragraph 56 of the financial memorandum talks about the transition costs, which are to be £64 million. I assume that that is a one-off cost and will happen over a period but not be repeated. The following paragraph goes on to say that implementation costs are not included. It says:

“These costs are currently excluded”.

Will you explain to me the difference between transition costs and implementation costs and why the implementation costs are excluded?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Might that include more IT investment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Okay. I will leave it at that. If you want to write to us, you can do so. I am an outsider to this, so I was simply intrigued.

My final point is on the question of costs for other organisations. Scotland’s Rural College suggested that farms would have to produce whole-farm plans and that there would be a cost to that. Would you accept that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Okay—I will leave that with you. It would be good if the figure were less than 10 per cent, I suppose.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

My next question was going to be whether 11 per cent was a reasonable figure. Do you benchmark that percentage against costs in other countries? I do not know what Denmark or anywhere else spends, for example. However, at last week’s meeting of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, we heard that Social Security Scotland is aiming for a figure of 5.2 per cent for its costs to distribute benefits, which is also quite a complex area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

There would still be a core cost even if you paid out no grants.