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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

That was helpful. Mr Clancy, do you want to say a final word?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

I will press you on that. What is the logic for backdated payments? I can see why a funeral payment, which is a one-off payment, would need to be backdated. However, if the payment is for food or heating, that issue has already passed, as it were—the person has already gone without food or heating. What is the logic of a backdated payment in such circumstances?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Mr Clancy, from a legal point of view, should people always be entitled to late payments, and should there be a limit to how far back they can go?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Would you argue that there should be a 13-week period for everything, with no reason being necessary, or should there just be more flexibility, as Ms Young suggested, given that some benefits are more complicated than others?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

I will ask about part 6 of the bill, which is on the provision of information. I will go first to Mr Clancy, although not for a legal point of view. Do you have any comments on the balance in the provisions in this part of the bill between the right to social security and the principle that Social Security Scotland must ensure that it gets value for money and that it does not pay out to people who should not be entitled to benefits?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

That is helpful. My use of the word “audit” includes a lot of ways of auditing a figure in accounts, for example, but it would certainly not always include cross-examining somebody.

Unless either of the other two witnesses wants to come in, I am happy to leave it there. I think that Ms Young does.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

Could the circumstances not have changed after the appeal?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 March 2024

John Mason

That is helpful. I think that we will explore that further in the future.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

John Mason

Going back to some of the stuff that has already been touched on, I was interested in a phrase that Scott Mackay used earlier:

“based on discussions with the Treasury”.

I had imagined—obviously wrongly—that in England they spend £100 million on the national health service and then we get £8 million or so as a consequential. I had imagined that it is all factual, the figures are there and it is automatic. The phrase

“based on discussions with the Treasury”

suggests that it is a lot more subjective than that. Is that because the Treasury itself does not know what the spending in England is? For example, it does not know whether the NHS will overspend or underspend a bit, and that in itself will impact on us. Is that part of the problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

John Mason

I fully agree with that.

I will move on to some specifics. I am going through the guide, so hopefully the paragraphs match.