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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

You said that the tax return will be a bit different from the one that is used for the UK system. I think that our tax return is to be more detailed. Will you explain why that is and what will happen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

I am pretty sure that we are all sympathetic to that. In the past, when we have looked at artificial intelligence, we have been given cases in which, sometimes, if there is not enough human oversight, things can get run away with. As I mentioned to the previous panel members, constituents of mine who were a penny short in their council tax have had horrendous letters. Can you give us some assurance that we are not going down that route?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

My final point is on a different area. In the Law Society of Scotland’s evidence about group relief and demergers, it said, in effect, that HMRC guidance overrules the strict letter of the law but that

“it has not proved possible for Revenue Scotland to issue guidance which has the same effect as the ... SDLT guidance.”

Can you explain that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

The downside is that the recycling industry is disadvantaged in many ways. There is very little incentive to recycle, because it is cheaper for people just to get stuff out of the quarry.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

I accept that—fair enough.

Mr Brown, you have already talked with the convener about certain difficulties with pinning down when the aggregate is actually used, as that could happen somewhere else in the UK or even beyond. Would it have been better to tax things at the source so that it became payable when the stuff was taken out of the ground?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

We might well take that issue up with others.

ICAS—and I meant to declare my membership of that organisation—makes a point about the lack of awareness of Scottish taxes. Who do you think should be doing something about that? Is it the media’s fault, because they just ignore Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

Even though no one will watch them either. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

What about the rest of the bill, apart from aggregates tax? Would that be cost neutral, do you think?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

The final area that I want to touch on is whether Revenue Scotland will be able to do more automation. It has got a few people a bit concerned—what if the computer just churns out penalties and all that kind of thing? I get cases where somebody has underpaid council tax by a penny and they get some horrible letter threatening them with all sorts of penalties; there is a danger of a lack of human interaction. Do any of you have concerns around that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

John Mason

Okay. I will leave it at that.