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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

On that point, and based on what Craig Dalzell said, is it important that the words are in a minister’s title?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

I will follow on from what Jo McGilvray said. The Carnegie UK submission made the point that a commissioner can make “cost savings”. I want to press you on that. How quickly could that be done? Is it inevitable that the costs will be in year 1 and the savings will be in year 25?

I will say my bit before you come in. Should that be one of the measures? When a commissioner meets a parliamentary committee—whichever committee it is—should that committee ask the commissioner whether their work has produced savings or whatever?

I initially put my hand up to speak in response to some of the things that Rob Holland had said, but Ross Greer asked him about some of those points. The National Autistic Society Scotland submission talks about “improved representation and visibility”. That is fine if there are seven commissioners, but—to go back to Ross Greer’s point—what if we have dozens? If there are 100 commissioners, no one will have much visibility. I realise that you are fighting your own angle, but could you take an overall approach and look at the bigger picture? You might get visibility for a few years with a commissioner, until more commissioners come along.

You also talk in your submission about leveraging finance. Can you tell us what you mean by that? Does that mean that the money would come from other vulnerable groups who did not have a commissioner, or from higher taxation? Where would the money come from?

Perhaps Jo McGilvray can go first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

Is it fair to say that training is always a bit of a vague thing? You could ask whether any of the seven members of the committee is properly trained, but there is no right answer to that, because we could all get more training. I do not know for how many days a year the police train their officers, but I presume that they prioritise the most important things in that training, as old laws such as the blasphemy law get dropped and new laws come in.

I am also a bit surprised that the police have asked for ÂŁX and are getting it. Could they not be pushed to do some of the training within the existing time?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

But so do people with autism and so do children.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

Is “equalities” not a better overall term?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

Let me press you a little on that. Is it inevitable that, when a commissioner is created, the first thing that they will ask for is more money for their sector, or can a commissioner look at the money that is being spent and say, “You could spend that same money better”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

I should have declared that I am one of them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

John Mason

The committee has struggled with that over the years. We could spend more money in any sector today and save money in year 25, but where do we get the money today?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

We have covered a lot of ground already, but I would like to pursue the idea of merging organisations. This will probably apply more to the second panel than to you. To be simplistic, the two of you, Mr Hamilton and Dr Plastow, are both dealing with information, so why could you not be the one organisation? Yours is quite small, Dr Plastow, and you have said how difficult it is with a small number of staff and that one more or one fewer member of staff would make a huge difference to your budget. However, putting yourselves together would give a bit of flexibility, it would mean that you could save half a member of staff or that if somebody is off sick it is not such a big deal.

Similarly, Ms Johnston and Mr Bruce, merging your organisations has already been suggested. You are both looking at the same cases, so that is duplication. I accept that in your submissions you think that it is not duplication, but it is duplication because you are both looking at the same cases. Surely, at a time of pressure that is a way forward. Could you comment on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Are you not on a slightly smaller scale than them? They are dealing with thousands of cases.