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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

To follow on slightly from Michelle Thomson’s line of questioning, I note that, in the introduction to your submission, you state:

“We represent our members and wider society”.

I should declare that I am a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland; we have something similar, and over the years, we have had some debate about that, as there can be a tension between those two elements. Do you think that there can also be a tension in that regard for the Law Society?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

By having to pay for it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

It is difficult to tell what is going to happen in the future, and whether the public will be satisfied by the inquiry. Nevertheless—I put this question to any of you—do you think that there is, in general, an acceptance of inquiry results? Sometimes, the results of an inquiry are announced and we see the family out the next day, complaining bitterly that they did not get what they wanted. On the whole, however, do you think that the public, and the victims, are being satisfied?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

I saw that—it was quite limited.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Dr Ireton, you say:

“There is a strong case for greater use of shorter, focused statutory inquiries, which deliver thematic learning and policy recommendations within 12 to 24 months.”

That sounds quite positive—is it actually possible?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

I do not want to labour the point too much, but let us look again at other professions. If accountants, for example, are new auditors to a business and it is completely unknown to them, they will focus on the risk and look at the areas where there is likely to be a problem; they will not go over the 3 million documents that I am sure that most companies have. All of us lived through Covid—we know 95 per cent of what happened. Should the Covid inquiry not focus only on the 5 per cent of what happened that we do not know?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

This committee carries out inquiries. We invite anybody to send written information, but, for example, today we have invited to come to us only two witnesses this morning and three later on. Is that not reasonable?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Is that because we have a wrong idea of public inquiries—that they are too legal and that they are too much like courts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Can I push you on that point? Does that not lead to people hiding things? If we want people to be frank and open so that we can see why they made their decisions, do the lawyers not curtail that process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

John Mason

Do you have three major points that the law reform committee would want to see changed with public inquiries?