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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

Thank you for that.

I have a much more general question about young people going into careers. I go into schools and ask how many girls are thinking about engineering, and the number is still very few. There still seem to be gender stereotypes. Further, some schools still have a big emphasis on university—in some schools, apprenticeships do not seem to be pushed quite so much. Teachers cannot know about every single job that is out there, but we have picked up in the committee and elsewhere that sometimes the advice that young people get does not cover the broad range of options. I realise that this is a very general question, but do you have any thoughts about where we are going in the long term in trying to get young girls into careers such as engineering?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

At the moment, I am just looking for an assurance that things are moving forward, because the bill seemed to get a little bit stuck at one point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

I realise that it is a big subject, so thank you very much for that response.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

The Promise bill has also been raised. I accept that you cannot say exactly what will be in it, but I met Who Cares? Scotland last week and its big ask is that the bill should include the right to independent advocacy. Is the minister able to say anything on that score?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

That is fine—just as long as the issue is on the minister’s radar. The convener and I met a group of care-experienced young people from Wales the other week, and it appeared that they already have the right to independent advocacy. I am not sure whether that is exactly comparable with the Scottish situation, but that is what they told us. It will be interesting to see the bill.

I will move on to another sector. I realise that Liz Smith is here today and may want to raise points about her bill, but I want to raise this issue myself. The committee has been copied into a certain amount of correspondence between the minister and Liz Smith about her Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill. The committee was very enthusiastic about the idea of residential outdoor education, but, for me, cost was the big issue. Could we forget about the bill and put some money into a pot that would top up the existing system? Is that an option? Ms Don-Innes’s letter of 10 June said that Liz Smith had to engage with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the trade unions, which seems an impossible barrier to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

First, perhaps I could touch on one or two issues that have been raised already. On mainstreaming and ASN, Mr Logan answered the point about inconsistency across the country. I have seen a number of constituents whose children have additional support needs and who feel that, because they are in Glasgow, their children have to have much greater need in order to get into a special school, whereas they would get into a special needs school more easily if they lived in one of the surrounding authorities. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

John Mason

Thank you very much.

Another topic that has been mentioned is the inability of teachers to get a permanent job. My feeling is that, once teachers have had their training in cities such as Glasgow, they are reluctant to leave. That might be for good reasons if they have built up friends or have a family and all the rest of it. I think that I saw in the media this week that Papa Westray has struggled to get a teacher for its school for six years, so there seems to be a bit of an urban-rural split. Do you agree that that is the case? Once young teachers have trained, how do we encourage them not to stay in the city but to move into rural areas?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Mr McGowan, you previously mentioned the independence of public inquiries and said that it is a bit of philosophical question, which I kind of accept. You also suggested that, if the terms of reference were sharper and more focused at the beginning, that would—or might—solve the problem. What do you think of the idea that, alongside that, we say at the very beginning—I take the point that this should all be fixed at the beginning, not halfway through—“We want this inquiry to take two years and it’s going to cost £5 million, and these are the terms of reference”? Would that take away from the independence of inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

Yes, and yet it is the case for other professions. A teacher will have 50 minutes, or whatever, with a set of pupils, and they will do the best that they can in that time. As an accountant, I would have to do an audit within three months—or whatever it might be—for a fixed fee. Auditors are still—I think—considered to be independent. It seems to be possible to do that kind of thing, but it seems that when we get the legal profession involved, they do not like that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

John Mason

You might or might not want to answer this—[Interruption.] Sorry—my microphone is not on.