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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Good morning. I think that we have covered many of the questions that I wanted to ask, but I want to touch on this from a perspective that we have only fleetingly engaged with. I do not doubt the merits of the cases that both of you make on behalf of your members, nor do I question your right to come here today and call for greater funding for those interests. However, I would contend that with rights come responsibilities. We have heard asks for better pay for staff and increases in grants and bus fares, but all of those have to be paid for. We have acknowledged that there is considerable pressure on the Scottish Government鈥檚 budget, which will only increase in the years to come.

Can I ask each of you where the funding would come from to meet those asks? Are we talking about looking elsewhere in the education budget and making cuts there? Are we talking about cuts to the budgets for social security, justice or net zero, for example?

Mary Senior, to be fair, you indicated that a progressive taxation approach would be the answer to this, but you will appreciate that there are other areas of education that would contend that they are worthy recipients of the fruits of that approach. At our previous meeting, on 21 September, colleges told us that less money comes to them per student than goes to the university sector. It is a difficult question, but I want to pose that to both of you because, in the real world, the money has to come from somewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

I suspect that the Federation of Small Businesses might have a different view on the small business bonus scheme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

But you are not telling us what you would deprioritise to meet those priorities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

In other words, it should just find the money from wherever.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

You will appreciate, Professor Boyne, that everyone will be making that argument in a time of straitened financial circumstances. Everyone can make a case. You make a valid case, but it is not as easy as that to find the moneys that you are looking for.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

I have two questions, one for each of the witnesses. The first one is for Karen Watt. At budget scrutiny time, parliamentary committees are invariably confronted with a list of demands from various stakeholders and dire warnings about the consequences of not having those asks met. I am looking to get your view, Karen, assuming that you come at this from a balanced perspective. Professor Boyne earlier said that, given the flat cash settlements that are predicted, universities will be unable to continue to thrive. Is that a fair assessment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

In the interest of balance, and to be fair, there is always a limit to the resilience that they will show.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

In other words, somebody needs to look down the back of the sofa to meet the ask that you have made.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 28 September 2022

Graeme Dey

Okay. Thank you.

I have a different question for Professor Boyne. In the submission that we received, Universities Scotland indicates that it is looking for a minimum of 拢171.1 million. The only identification of where that might come from is a fleeting reference to some small Barnett consequentials. You heard my questions to the previous panel, and I am sure you know exactly where I am going with this. I am not in any way diminishing the validity of what you are looking for or why you are looking for it. However, in what you have acknowledged are difficult financial circumstances, where do you suggest the Government ought to find the sums that you argue for?

We have already heard about the situation with the colleges, which have a claim on any money that can be generated. Have you identified something in the education portfolio budget that you think could be redistributed? Are we talking about raiding other budget lines? To be fair, the UCU talked about adjusting the taxation system and looking at the small business bonus, so it has at least made suggestions. What would you say to me on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Graeme Dey

I think that Joanna Campbell said a moment ago that 70 per cent of costs went on staffing. Earlier in the meeting we heard of another college where the figure was 80 per cent. However, the latest available figures for universities, which are from 2019, suggest that the average spend on staffing is 55 per cent. At face value, that is quite a discrepancy. From your position, is that a like-for-like comparison? You will accept that it is quite a difference.