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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

As the committee is aware, an additional pressure arose as a consequence of settling the teachers pay dispute. That money had to be found from the education budget. That is the nature of Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

We have had that exchange previously, in the chamber. The simple fact is that, if the money is not there, it cannot be magicked up. I absolutely regret the pressures that the colleges are under and the redundancies that are having to be made, but I am afraid that that is the reality of the situation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

In a minute, I will bring in Jess Dolan on the detail of some of that.

One issue that has come across my desk during the past few weeks鈥攏o doubt there are good reasons for this鈥攊s that, if a college conducts a process of voluntary severance, it has to run that past the SFC. However, it does not have to do so if it is conducting an exercise in compulsory redundancy, which is a little bit anomalous. It relates to what you just said about the oversight of processes, and I am keen to have a look at it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Not specifically, because it predates my time in post. They are required to pay heed to public sector pay policy but are not bound by it. That is the nature of the structures that they have.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I undertake to do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Until December. They are still looking at that.

I do not doubt that colleges are having to take very difficult decisions at the moment, and I recognise that those decisions have consequences. That is why the detailed dialogue that we have entered into with the colleges is so important. There is a constructive dialogue about what we can do to enable colleges to become more sustainable in the short and medium term. That is the spirit in which those discussions are taking place, and they will be ramped up next week when I meet college representatives directly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

I recognise that point. You have highlighted the need for additional investment in early years provision and, no doubt, in various other things, but we have a fixed budget for education and cannot do everything.

You make an important point about the opportunity for youngsters who might live in a rural setting and want to go to college in an urban one. That could also be reversed: people who live in an urban setting might want to go to college in a rural one. The Withers proposals give us the opportunity to look at how we provide college education. We tend to focus on university students travelling to different parts of the country to do their courses, but I think that Withers gives us the opportunity to look at that in a college setting.

We will have to emphasise the needs of the economy, but other courses are also absolutely essential and some of our colleges might become centres of excellence. If we are going to do that鈥攚hich is a conversation that we must have鈥攚e must look at how we will support college students to attend particular centres of excellence. We could see rural to urban migration, but we could also see the reverse. For example, Borders College provides some really good gamekeeping courses, and I do not doubt that some urbanites will want to go there. We must look at how we will deliver that in the future.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

If you are referring to some form of emergency funding package for colleges or the general approach to funding, we are absolutely not in a position to provide additional funding to colleges right now. On what future funding looks like, Withers is very clear that there is no shortage of funding in the skills and post-school education landscape. It is about how we better utilise that funding. That will form part of the discussion that we have around Withers and taking that issue and various other things forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

To be clear, the meeting next week is for us to try to get agreement and put something firmly in place. Once we are in a position to do that, I hope that we will be able to write to the committee jointly to outline what is happening.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Education Exchange Programme and Further and Higher Education Issues

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Graeme Dey

Now you are trying to put me on the spot, convener.