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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graeme Dey

Willie Rennie is right to talk about the need to carry out due diligence. I am not going to get into specific numbers; there is, to be blunt, a range of numbers at play here. The liquidity element of what might be asked for can, as I have alluded to, be delivered in a variety of ways; for example, I have mentioned commercial lending and how that might be unlocked.

I would separate the question into two component parts, as I did a moment ago. We have been very clear about our commitment to deliver for the future of Dundee. We will see how exactly that is done, but we are, as we have been throughout, absolutely clear about our support for the institution.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graeme Dey

In a broad sense, it was, but there is a bit of variation in the figures, if I can put it that way. There are two ends to this, and there are two elements, as I have made clear. There is the adjustment element, which is the approach that the university has taken to protect employment levels, and there is the liquidity element, which is the bridging that it is doing while it implements the FRP and gets back to a position in which it can not only survive but thrive.

11:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graeme Dey

So am I. On Monday, I met Baroness Smith from the UK Government, whose engagement with me I appreciated. I said two things to her about the issue: that I understood that difficult decisions had to be made in government in challenging financial circumstances, but that the decision was deeply disappointing and concerning. As Mr Adam has alluded to, the Turing scheme has been welcome. It has not been a replacement for Erasmus+, and it was never going to be, but it has been incredibly important and it has also been oversubscribed. I expected that the reduction in funding would be announced today, but I was not sure that it would be this early in the day. It will be the cause of significant concern, particularly for our universities and colleges.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graeme Dey

Scotland鈥檚 share of the Turing funding has reduced over the three years that the scheme has been in operation, while the demand from Scottish institutions and organisations has increased. You will forgive me鈥擨 need to digest the announcement in its totality and have conversations with those who will be impacted by it, which I am sure will happen over the next few days鈥攂ut there is no doubt that it is a significant setback.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I guess that there has been a disconnect between the expectation of what the engagement would look like in reality and what the unions took it to be. I contend that, when there have been developments in the process, we have engaged directly with the trade unions.

I also make the distinction between that engagement and the direct engagement that I have had with the staff. I have gone in front of the staff, updated them on where we are and answered any and all questions that they have had as openly as I can. It is a combination of things.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

This Government is absolutely committed to enhancing the apprenticeship offering in all its guises, whether it be, for example, modern apprenticeships or graduate apprenticeships. There is an absolute commitment. The apprenticeship offering is critical to the needs of the economy, and we are in the business of improving it.

As for your initial point, Mr Rennie, I would just caution that we should await the Pamela Gillies report on Dundee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

ONS classification pertains to universities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

We do not know the exact quantum, but it will be in excess of 100 people.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

Instead of apprenticeships being, as Andrew Mott has said, an add-on to the organisation, they will become a critical part of the SFC鈥檚 activities. The Government鈥檚 view is that there needs to be a growth in apprenticeships, both numerically and in quality.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

In that sense, it will鈥擨 cannot disagree with you on that. However鈥攁nd I do not think that we can make this any clearer, convener鈥攖he new organisation will, in every respect, put a huge emphasis on apprenticeship delivery.