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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Mark Griffin

I was going to continue with the line of questioning that I began with the previous panel on the impact on the remainder of services that will be left with councils, but the panel has already covered a lot of that. As a result, I will ask about the impact on local government in its entirety.

We have had police and fire service nationalisation and we are now looking at social work and social care. We have educational regional collaboratives and chat about a national education service. Is this a return to district councils by stealth? Is it appropriate to change the whole landscape of local government in such a piecemeal way, or should we be taking a wider look at local government?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Mark Griffin

Going back to the impact on individual services, I think that I have heard from the panel here in person, but I would like to ask Douglas Hendry to set out the perspective of a rural and island authority, in particular. What will the impact be on the services that are left over? If we go forward with the national care service, what will the impact be on housing, education and leisure in your authority?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Mark Griffin

Eddie Follan, are you able to touch on child protection?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Mark Griffin

I want to ask about the impact on the council services that would be left behind after a national care service was set up. There are synergies in place in local government and services that work well together by having everyone under one roof. What will be the impact on the services that will be left with local government if this goes ahead? I am thinking specifically of housing and education.

Perhaps Eddie Fraser can respond first, to be followed by Eddie Follan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Mark Griffin

Audit Scotland’s response to the call for views says:

“There is a risk of fragmentation of local services”.

Can Carol Calder expand on that and say in which areas the risk is greatest?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Barriers to Local Elected Office

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Mark Griffin

Councillor Morrison touched briefly on how the role of a councillor and the responsibilities and burdens on councillors have changed over the past 15 years. Will you expand on that and, given that context of changes, reflect on whether it is even remotely sustainable for councillors to continue on the current levels of pay?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Mark Griffin

I apologise for arriving late, convener, and to you, minister, if you covered this point in your opening statement.

The committee understands that the revised draft of national planning framework 4 is due out shortly. Has there been an analysis of any impact that the bill might have on NPF4 and on the timeframe for approval?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Barriers to Local Elected Office

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Mark Griffin

We have talked about cultural and financial barriers, and I want to touch on legal barriers as well. Those who work for a local authority are disqualified from standing for election, and there are disqualifications around bankruptcy and other things. Are the disqualifications appropriate? Given the context of the cost of living crisis and interest rates shooting through the roof, councillors could become bankrupt because of the levels of remuneration. Why should someone who has that lived experience be disqualified from becoming a councillor? Why should someone who has the experience of working in, say, a social care setting be disqualified from becoming a councillor, when someone who provides care in the independent sector and is contracted by a council can stand for election?

Particularly in the central belt, some councillors work for local authorities that are right next door, but that is much more difficult to do in island or more rural communities. What are your views on some of the legal disqualifications from standing to be a councillor? Are they appropriate, given that the legislation on that was set out in the 1970s?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Mark Griffin

Similarly, can you speculate on whether the bill would have any impact on the local authority local development plans that will follow on from NPF4?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Barriers to Local Elected Office

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Mark Griffin

I agree with the points that have been made so far about how important remuneration is to improving diversity. Is there any evidence out there that we could use to support that view? I am thinking particularly of international evidence. Is there any international evidence that remuneration levels for councillors being set higher leads to increased diversity among candidates and elected councillors?