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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Is there any effect due to the lack of universality鈥攁s in, universal in every community across the country鈥攐f the offer? From what I have observed, the provision for two-year-olds is not available in every community; some people have to travel to get it. Does that have an effect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

The real living wage will not stop an exodus.

We know that nurseries are reducing the number of rooms that are available for the service; many are closing; and lots of staff are moving over, so they are really struggling to provide the service. The issue is important, and it is not about 鈥淧rivate good, public bad鈥濃攊t is about private and voluntary nurseries providing a much more flexible service, which is what the First Minister said was important.

We will all remember the debate that we had on the issue four or five years ago, because a lot of parents spoke out at the time, saying that they needed flexibility to fit care around their work patterns. We are therefore in danger of undermining the objective that the First Minister set out all those years ago by cutting out the private sector and treating people in it as second class citizens. I find it staggering that we have got to this stage.

11:15  

I commend you for being the first person from whom I have heard such an open explanation, because things have been very opaque up to now. We have now had an open and transparent admission that the system is designed to pay those in the council sector much more than those in the private and voluntary sectors. The situation is not sustainable鈥攚e are going to undermine the policy if we carry on as we are.

I am not blaming you for all this, Matthew鈥攜ou have been sent out to defend it鈥攂ut it is just not sustainable.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Does anybody else have any ideas?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

We are not really getting to the nub of this. In 2010, there were 1,500 nursery teachers and there are now only 700. Does that not give an indication that we have moved from education to just childcare? That question is for Matthew Sweeney.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Surely the clue is in the title of your organisation. If we are going to improve things, we should understand the reasons. Is no attempt being made to understand them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Why are we so bad at getting entitled two-year-olds into the provision? Perhaps Adam Hall could answer that first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

I will push back a wee bit on that. I am not a defender of the Government, but COSLA has accepted that the settlement for the early learning and childcare offer was going to meet the needs. I know that there has been a reduction in funding in the past year and that there has been some rejigging of funds. However, the policy has been funded, so I am puzzled about why there has been such a reduction in nursery teachers over that period when, apparently, there has been enough money.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

You have set the cat among the pigeons, and I commend you for that, but this is not the end of the debate. We need to return to the matter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

As you probably saw, there was quite a bit of debate last week about whether the new arrangements will make the process easier or more difficult. I can understand the motivation for the change, but could it potentially encourage more cross-border placements?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

The representatives from the children鈥檚 commissioner鈥檚 office made the point last week that there would be a disparity between the rights of children coming from England and the rights of those in Scotland. I can understand why you would potentially have to double up the process鈥攖hat is probably not legal language, either鈥攊n order to overcome that, which might create some difficulties for those who come from England. Are you concerned about the difference between the rights of children who come here from England and the rights of those who are already here?