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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

My question is about universities. What planning have you done in the event that China invades Taiwan, resulting in a reduction in the number of Chinese students coming to Scottish universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

It is not that hypothetical.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Willie Rennie

We all appreciate the sensitive way in which you have just addressed that issue, Deputy First Minister. I have met many of the Fornethy survivors, and one can tell that the experience has deeply affected their whole life. I think that they, and everybody here, will appreciate the way in which you have tried to navigate through the difficult legal territory, and I hope that we can find a resolution, because those women deserve justice and fairness.

I want to draw on your wider reflections on the whole process of redress, which is not just about a financial transaction or an application process—people are opening up to you and telling you all their experiences, as happened with the child abuse inquiry. Anybody that they open up to—particularly a Government—has a responsibility and a duty to take that information and treat it with care. It is about the human being as much as the finance.

Now that you are several months into that process, what are your reflections on it? How have you been able to help and assist those individuals? I know that many organisations out there are doing the same work, but people have opened up to you, so what have you learned from the process and what have you reflected on? Do you think that the system that we have in place to carry those people with care is sufficient, if it ever can be so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

I am not sure that it is correct to brand the senior people that we have had appearing before the committee as recalcitrant and resistant to change. Claire Burns from CELCIS talked about concerns about “unpicking everything”. Martin Crewe, who has decades of experience in children’s services, said:

“I cannot see that the national care service would have a big positive impact.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 16 November 2022; c 36.]

Jackie Irvine, from the Care Inspectorate, talked about “disruption”. I am not sure that it is right to dismiss them as simply being resistant to change.

My main question is about the fact that children’s services were clearly an afterthought. Why were they not included in the Feeley report, and why have you still not decided, even though the bill is currently going through the legislative process, whether they will be included?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Why can you not give me a figure, Mr Stewart?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

No—I am not asking you to pluck a figure; I am just asking you to give me an accurate one. I cannot understand that. It proves my point that you are making it up as you go along. You do not know how much the proposals will cost.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Members of the finance committee, including members of your party, have criticised you for not having the finances. You quoted a figure of £1.5 billion, but that is not the cost of restructuring the system to include children’s services; I presume that it would be the cost of providing the children’s services themselves. I am asking what the additional cost would be of including children’s services in the national care service’s structure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

The minister has just talked about being presented with risk. Has the risk not been caused by moving ahead with a national care service without having thought about where children’s services will go? Is it not the case that the Government has caused the risk that you have talked about, minister?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Mr Stewart, you will have seen Daren Fitzhenry’s contribution to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee yesterday, in which he expressed concerns that the proposed changes would potentially give ministers sweeping powers to limit the scope of his investigations into social care complaints. What is your response to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Irrespective of the conclusion on children’s services?