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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay. Let us say that you have clear evidence that a council has ignored your warnings and has cut teacher numbers. If you withdraw the funding, what does the council do next? For example, what happens if the council decides that, as a result of that cut in funding, it has to make further cuts in teacher numbers? Will you impose a further penalty on that council? How does that work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

If you penalise councils that believe that they have no other choice than to cut teacher numbers, is it possible that there could be even fewer teachers at the end of that process? Is that a possible scenario?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

There is no point in having the threat of a penalty if you are not prepared to contemplate the consequences of that penalty. You have to accept that we could end up with a scenario in which councils have even less funding and, therefore, cannot employ as many teachers as they would like, so there will be a further cut in teacher numbers. You have to accept that that is a possibility with the penalty.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

Talk me through this, cabinet secretary. If a council ignores your warning on teacher numbers, what happens next? What is the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

Yes, I am, because you set it out.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

I understand that you do not want to get to that and you want to have a collaborative approach. That is what you have been trying to do for years but, apparently, it has not succeeded. I am curious as to how you think that withdrawing more funding from a council will help it to balance its budget and get the appropriate number of staff in the right schools. Will it not end up undermining the objective that you set yourself at the beginning? Will we not end up with fewer teachers and classroom assistants?

The councils do not want to take that approach. As you know, they face really difficult financial challenges鈥攜ou acknowledged that yourself. I do not understand how the penalty helps anybody. The councils are not the enemy. They are trying to do their best and your penalty might make it even worse.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Willie Rennie

One advantage of making legislation in the way that we are doing in this case is that, irrespective of the content of the bill, it puts a focus on the issues.

I was fortunate to meet representatives of The Usual Place in Dumfries, who attended an event that I was at last week. They provide confident leadership in disability. I am also familiar with Zest cafe in St Andrews. Lisa, who runs that organisation, has no time at all for employers who say that they cannot get enough people to work for their organisations. She employs people with learning difficulties and people from a variety of backgrounds and with different disabilities. She thinks that employers鈥攏ot all of them, but quite a lot of them鈥攁re not educating themselves enough to understand the talent that is available among that cohort. What more can we do to educate employers on the assets that they are missing out on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Willie Rennie

Whatever the merits or demerits of the bill, it has brought a focus on the issues, which is in itself helpful. I am struck by my encounters with constituents and organisations. I meet parents who are experts at championing their children鈥檚 rights, which they often do until quite late in life. They are brilliant at it, and they are ferocious. We need to draw more on their talents.

I am also struck by employers and organisations that I meet that are frustrated because other employers do not understand the full potential of this untapped resource. Rather than look at people as a burden, we can look at them as an opportunity for employers.

There is also an opportunity for the young people and for older people. Many of the people we are talking about live until quite old age, so we need to consider their lifelong opportunities. Do employers fully understand their potential? If not, what can we do to persuade them to understand it? That is for whoever would like to contribute. I will let you pick.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

For the first time ever, the fees that come from international students for Scottish universities surpass domestic fees. The exposure, which is greater than it is in the rest of the United Kingdom, is substantial. The cross-subsidy is not just with education but with research. It is a realistic issue, and I would hope that it has been considered. You do not need to tell me now what the details of the discussions are, but China invading Taiwan is not an unrealistic prospect, and we have large numbers of Chinese students here. The threat is real, and the threat is bigger here than it is in the rest of the United Kingdom. I know that an international university and higher education piece of work is under way just now, but I want to know that you have considered that realistic threat and have a plan for it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

That is the point, is it not? Some institutions are really exposed, whereas others might not be. Therefore, the threat is even greater to some.